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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    Sending a working firearm through the mail or other delivery service to a private party is strictly prohibited
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    If you are shipping a working firearm, then you will have to do a FFL to FFL transfer.
    Not true. You can, as an unlicensed individual, ship a firearm TO an FFL.
    Referense form ATF P 5300.4(PDF Warning) Question (B9) on Page 177

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    Sending a working firearm through the mail or other delivery service to a private party is strictly prohibited, especially since this is an interstate transfer. If you are shipping a working firearm, then you will have to do a FFL to FFL transfer. You will need to find an FFL in your area, who will need to include a copy of his FFL when he sends the firearm to the FFL on the other end, and before sending it, you will have to find an FFL on the other end and have him fax a copy of HIS FFL to the FFL who is performing the transfer on your behalf. It must be shipped overnight. There is usually a $25 to $50 transfer fee to cover the shipping. Ammo must be shipped as a hazardous material, which can be pricey. This is the federal guidelines:



    This complicates things, but that's the way it is.
    Sorry Outlaw, but you are not entirely correct on several points. A working firearm may be shipped to an individual IF it is already their gun, as in having sent it to a manufacturer or gunsmith for repair or customizing and then being returned to the owner. You do not have to have an FFL on both ends of the shipment. A private party may ship a working firearm to any FFL for any legal purpose, such as selling it to a buyer in another state. There are a couple of STATES that require all guns coming into or going out of the State go through an FFL, but that is not Federal Regulation.

    There is no Federal Regulation requiring firearms to be shipped Overnight. FedEx and UPS require HANDGUNS be shipped Overnight to pad their profits, but that is their policy, not regulations. The Postal Service does not require Overnight shipments of any firearms. Long guns can go Ground or any other way the person shipping desires via any carrier. The only exception to any of the above is that Handguns being shipped via the Postal Service must go to and from an FFL.

    Please refrain from giving advise on such subjects if you do not fully understand the regulations involved. Having been in the firearms business and holding an FFL since 1977, I am appalled at the lack of knowledge of many firearm enthusiasts when it comes to selling, shipping, or receiving firearms.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JDScott2 View Post
    Please refrain from giving advise on such subjects if you do not fully understand the regulations involved. Having been in the firearms business and holding an FFL since 1977, I am appalled at the lack of knowledge of many firearm enthusiasts when it comes to selling, shipping, or receiving firearms.
    Agreed. In this age of instant information, nearly everything can be found very quickly if people would just look. Regarding federal firearms regulations, the ATF's own website has everything you need to know. It may be a little difficult to locate sometimes, but questions like this thread are in the FAQ.

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    You're getting some good and incorrect info here. The easiest way is for you to go to a local FFL dealer and get a copy of his license and email it to your friend. Then he boxes up the gun with a copy of his drivers license & a note with your name & phone number (so the dealer can call you when it arrives) inside so the receiving dealer on your end can log it into his bound book as the person he received the gun from. Then your friend takes it to FedEx and ships it overnight (their rules, not law) to your FFL. It may be a little cheaper for your friend to take the gun to a local FFL on his end and have him mail it by insured priority mail with delivery confirmation. An FFL can mail a handgun but you or your friend cannot. Private parties can only mail long guns or antique guns made prior to 1898.

    There cannot, by law, be any markings on the outside of the package that indicates it contains a gun. IE; if it's going to Joe's Guns & Ammo he would simply address it to JGA Inc..

  6. Quote Originally Posted by sixguncowboy View Post
    You're getting some good and incorrect info here.
    Is this a preface to your comment? Because you just gave him a bunch of incorrect info.

    Quote Originally Posted by sixguncowboy View Post
    Then your friend takes it to FedEx and ships it overnight (their rules, not law) to your FFL.
    They require only handguns to be shipped overnight, as JDScott2 already stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by sixguncowboy View Post
    An FFL can mail a handgun but you or your friend cannot. Private parties can only mail long guns or antique guns made prior to 1898.
    Again, wrong. I already linked to the ATF document covering this. Anyone can ship any firearm TO an FFL.

    Quote Originally Posted by sixguncowboy View Post
    There cannot, by law, be any markings on the outside of the package that indicates it contains a gun. IE; if it's going to Joe's Guns & Ammo he would simply address it to JGA Inc..
    Again, not quite correct. The carrier cannot REQUIRE you to place, or place on their own, any markings indicating that it contains a firearm. If you write an address indicating such, it is not illegal.

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    I didn't say it was illegal to address it to Joe's Gun Shop. It is just not wise. Again an unlicensed individual may ship a handgun by common carrier. He may not MAIL a handgun through the United States Postal Service. Usually when someone says "mail" it refers to the US Postal Service. If I say "ship" I'm referring to a common carrier, IE: FedEx UPS (not USPS) or DHL.

    From BATF FAQ:

    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

    The op is inquireing about purchasing a handgun not a long gun.

    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

    A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

    FYI When I say "mail" I mean through the USPS not UPS. If I use the word "ship" I'm referring to a common carrier IE; UPS or FedEx.

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    How do you come up with these "DUMB", and I mean really "dumbass" questions.

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    Not a member of your family, FFL required.

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