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  1. #11
    In Kansas, it's not required to disclose your CC permit, but it's strongly recommended. So if I'm ever stopped when I'm driving I'll do so. But what if you're the passenger? If the driver also has a CC permit, but isn't carrying, does he show his? What if he isn't, but you as the passenger are carrying? Since it's not required, I understand you can only give me an example of what YOU'D do.

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    Have never had an officer relieve me of my weapon, Texas is disclose if you are carrying, was ask once by border patrol to carry my weapon into the office to "clear" it I said it is fine, no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayporsche View Post
    And that is the way it should go every time.....
    are you kidding? that is a classic example of an illegal seizure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    Have never had an officer relieve me of my weapon, Texas is disclose if you are carrying, was ask once by border patrol to carry my weapon into the office to "clear" it I said it is fine, no problem.
    were you crossing the border? if not why are you interacting with the border patrol? if yes, isn't it illegal to bring a firearm across the border to of from mexico?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    are you kidding? that is a classic example of an illegal seizure.
    The reason for the stop was a traffic violation. Now he has illegally seized your weapon and running the serial number for a stolen weapon. Now he is "fishing" for something else. He had no probable cause to seize your weapon because of a traffic stop.

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    You handed him your CC permit, yet said the cop removed it. Were you open carrying, or did he remove a concealed weapon from you?
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    Do I need to inform Law Enforcement that I am carrying a concealed weapon in Arizona?A qualified person must have the permit in possession when carrying a concealed weapon and is required by any other law to carry the permit. The permit must be presented to any law enforcement officer, upon request, along with a driver’s license, military ID, state ID card or passport. A law enforcement officer may temporarily take possession of a firearm during traffic stops or other official contacts with the public.
    Arizona Concealed Carry Permit Information, Concealed Weapon

    Since no one else wants to start the pissing contest, I will.

    The above is from the concealed carry permit information link at the top of the page. Arizona does not require you to inform the officer that you are carrying a weapon unless he/ she asks. So, the entire “illegal seizure” issue would have been moot had the OP simply kept his mouth shut.

    Unless you are legally required to do so I see no advantage in voluntarily disclosing the fact that you are armed to the police. All it does is extends the length of time you’re sitting on the side of the road.
    This debate has raged on the internet forever and, with one exception, I have yet to see anyone change their mind. The exception decided not to inform.

    I truly believe that at least some of the “Always inform” crowd do so because they think it’s a way of letting the cop know that they’re part of the “in” crowd. IME to a cop unless you are another cop you are not part of the ‘in” crowd no matter what you do.

    Bearing all that in mind this is how I handle a traffic stop.

    As soon as the lights go on I take my wallet out of my pocket and have it in my hand I keep it in my hand until the stop is over.Then I pull as far off the road as I can.

    When that cop comes up to the car I have my hands in plain sight on the wheel w/ my wallet in my hand (no reaching for anything and giving the cop a chance to see my gun) I keep my wallet in my hand until the stop is over. I also turn the dome light on at night. IMO this negates the main rationale people give for informing, the cop isn’t going to notice my gun.

    So, the cop asks for my papers I open the wallet, he can see everything I’m doing, and I hand him the documents and he does his thing and I’m on my way. No opportunity for him to notice any “suspicious bulges”. No reason for the cop to get nervous. No reason to prolong the stop.

    If the cop asks me if I have any weapons in the car I say nothing and hand him my permit and go from there.
    The only reason I would inform the cop w/out being asked is if he asked me to step out of the car. In Colorado Springs that means I am almost certain to be patted down, so I hand him my permit before I get out of the car.
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  9. Stopped by a cop, what to do?

    I found a few problems with the story. The first is on the OPs part. Never guess what you did wrong. Cop: "You know why I'm pulling you over?"
    Driver: "Because I'm wanted for murder?"
    Cop: "No, taillight is out. But now that you mention it, stay right here will I check up on that other crime also."
    Moral of the story, never guess because you could be admitting go something he may not have seen.
    2nd is that he made you get out of the vehicle and took your gun. While perfectly legal, it gets on my nerves when cops do that. Also, if you don't live in a "must notify" state, I would never answer that question.
    3rd is that he opened the passenger door and searched that area. Without your consent they can only look in the drivers area, and that must be done from the drivers side.

    As for running the serial number of the gun, it is my understanding that on the road, you have no "expectation of privacy" and therefore they can run the serial number legally. If they come into your home and spot a gun, however, that cannot run that serial number unless they have sufficient reason to believe it was used in a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZIG1911 View Post
    I was stopped, the cop came over and asked the question "do you know why I stopped you"
    Depends on how long you were following me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    I found a few problems with the story. The first is on the OPs part. Never guess what you did wrong. Cop: "You know why I'm pulling you over?"
    Driver: "Because I'm wanted for murder?"
    Cop: "No, taillight is out. But now that you mention it, stay right here will I check up on that other crime also."
    Moral of the story, never guess because you could be admitting go something he may not have seen.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    if you don't live in a "must notify" state, I would never answer that question.
    Most states that aren't must notify states do require you to present your permit on demand, refusing to answer will cause far more problems that it solves.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    3rd is that he opened the passenger door and searched that area. Without your consent they can only look in the drivers area, and that must be done from the drivers side.
    Can you quote a specific Arizona statute that says that?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndeyHall View Post
    As for running the serial number of the gun, it is my understanding that on the road, you have no "expectation of privacy" and therefore they can run the serial number legally. If they come into your home and spot a gun, however, that cannot run that serial number unless they have sufficient reason to believe it was used in a crime.
    Again, can you quote a specific statute?

    You can't have it both ways either the cops are limited in where they can search your car or you have no reasonable expectation of privacy on the road.
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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