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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by bigb360 View Post
    Thanks for nothing, usa carry community. This is the second post that has gotten a bunch of wise ass comments, and you people barely answered the question I asked. No reason to come back here. Most useless carry community on the web.
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    Why do you carry ID the Supreme Court says we don't need it to Vote and that pretty much covers the only real reason we need it.

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    Last time an officer ask to hold my gun to make it safe he waved it across my wife, myself and pointed a cocked and locked 45 at himself, you cannot cure stupid, after telling him to quit and that there was still a round in the chamber he handed me the gun to empty it and gave me a warning, I issued him one too. If you really think a guy with a gun permit is dangerous then you need to get out of law enforcement.

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    I work in a job that I am statistically more likely to die on the job than a cop..... Many of the jobs I have held have been the same... YET... if I see a cop or interact with THEM, I have no right to disarm THEM for MY safety..... I want to go home at the end of my shift too... You havent seen stories about those in my profession (truck driver/road construction) KILLING people because we went to the wrong address... MY safety is just as important no, scratch that, my safety is MORE important than the cops safety... I PAY HIM to go in to harms way... if he cant handle the darn job he should find something he can handle, like maybe a fluffer for pornos...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    I work in a job that I am statistically more likely to die on the job than a cop..... Many of the jobs I have held have been the same... YET... if I see a cop or interact with THEM, I have no right to disarm THEM for MY safety..... I want to go home at the end of my shift too... You havent seen stories about those in my profession (truck driver/road construction) KILLING people because we went to the wrong address... MY safety is just as important no, scratch that, my safety is MORE important than the cops safety... I PAY HIM to go in to harms way... if he cant handle the darn job he should find something he can handle, like maybe a fluffer for pornos...
    Slow down high speed. Don't start spewing junk that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not about what a cop can or can't handle, it's handling a certain situation the same way EVERY time as not to get complacent and killed. Officer safety and self preservation is a VERY big deal because people are very willing to mow down cops. Traffic stops are VERY dangerous for MANY reasons and if you had any element of training or even YouTube experience you'd know that and you'd clamp down your blow hole about it. Instead of surfing anti cop propaganda, look up some sites that will inform you on why LE tactically approach certain situations and why ofc. safety is paramount. You also have a loose grasp on constitutional law. Do all that in between your porn surfing and you might learn something to bring back to the discussions on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigb360 View Post
    My story changed? No, I simply condensed him asking me about the weapon and my answering him into a single phrase so as to save time. I've now clarified the point. Get over it.
    No, you started out with:

    Quote Originally Posted by bigb360 View Post
    I was stopped tonight by an officer here in MO. We're not a must inform state, but I treat everywhere I go as a must inform just as a general principle. The officer approached the car and I handed him my license and ccw permit and told him I was a conceal carrier and had my weapon on me. It was even in a console that was visible to him and I pointed it out.
    When people started telling you that you precipitated the issue by informing the officer that you were armed then your story changed to:

    Quote Originally Posted by bigb360 View Post
    I Don't really have a problem, but he asked if I was armed.
    At one point you even state that you were trained to inform in your CCW class

    Quote Originally Posted by bigb360 View Post
    Ah I see. The only reason I informed him initially that I had a permit is because that was what I was trained to do in my ccw class
    And oh my but here you are again stating that you informed him initially or are you now going with "He asked if I was armed and I would have lied but I was told not to in my CCW class"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Ahhh.... so now you are going to start name calling and run away.....
    He'll be back, maybe with a different name but he'll be back
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  9. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    It's just me but in MI were disclosure is required in a traffic stop. If asked I would have first said "making it safe", then dropped the mag, and ejected the one in the pipe and handed him a gun that was locked open and MT....
    I sure hope you don't find yourself getting shot because of the display of the weapon, disclosure is better made verbally

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigb360 View Post
    Good grief are you people children? Must inform in my mind refers to the fact you're a conceal carrier, not necessarily that you're armed at that moment.
    sir, with all due respect, your interpretations and conclusions are all wrong

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    1) I agree with everyone who said that the OP should've never disclosed his armed status voluntarily unless legally required to do so.

    2) It is certainly within reason to say the OP's story changed during the course of the thread.

    3) #2 doesn't really change much for me, since apparently the cop would've known he was a permit holder as soon as he ran his license in MO, and while he had the authority to ask if he was armed at the time, he still would have not had the authority to disarm him.

    4) Cops don't have "rights," they are granted authorities. The overwhelming majority of their authorities flow from the words in the Bill of Rights. Any law, any SCOTUS ruling, any action that they might take while on the job must all comport with the restrictions placed on them by that document, not by some sh!thouse, usurping interpretation that a legislature, judge or cop on the beat deems "reasonable and necessary." The only time a cop can legitimately invoke their own rights is when they're accused of abusing and violating their legal authority, and themselves, become criminal defendants.

    Now, I know several of you can't wait to jump on here and tell me I'm engaging in a semantics argument. "What? You know more about rights and authorities than Supreme Court justices do?" Apparently, I do. I know and am fairly proficient with the English language, and when the 4th Amendment states unambiguously that I have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures except upon probable cause, that is a limit on the authorities of the government, and that probable cause does not include the articulable reason of, "Well your honor, that morning when I got out of the shower and bent over to dry off my feet and lower legs, my wife opened the door and jammed the door-knob right up my hemorrhoid-laden rectum, and I was in pain and just in a piss-poor mood by the time I pulled over Mr. Public." To hear some tell it around here, that is all the articulation needed to give the officer the authority to deny someone their rights under the 4th Amendment. And if the result of asking a CWP holder if s/he's armed and getting a truthful answer that they are is that their property is seized, then that question violates the 5th Amendment too.

    The amorphous, ever-changing, ever-receding principles of fundamental, unalienable, God-given rights is as starkly conspicuous in this thread as Justice Roberts thinking he had the authority to rewrite a fine into a tax to make ObamaCare "constitutional" just because he reached the pinnacle of a career in law that culminated in his appointment and confirmation to the Supreme Court. Regardless of his high position though, he's nothing more than a usurper, a traitor to the Constitution, just like every cop and/or prosecutor who ever pursued a case using less than the probable cause standard to do their jobs, which, as near as I can tell, is virtually all of them.

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