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  1. Have CCL but can I Open Carry?

    Just got my CCL after waiting a whole 13 months for it. No reason for the delay other than I think they lost my application.

    Anyway, I was wondering that since I have my CCL now, would it be illegal for me to open carry if i wanted to for certain reasons or just take it out of my holster/pocket while driving(easier to get to if needed).

    Oh, I'm in Oregon if that matters.

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  3. if you have your chl then you are golden. oregon is an open carry state. just make sure you familiarize yourself with the state weapons laws.

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    There are some cities in OR that do not permit a loaded gun. Please go to this site for some good info:
    Oregon
    There are different rules for when you are in a vehicle.

    "Oh, I'm in Oregon if that matters." YES, every state is different. Please go to the OR OC site for good info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    There are some cities in OR that do not permit a loaded gun. Please go to this site for some good info:
    Oregon
    There are different rules for when you are in a vehicle.

    "Oh, I'm in Oregon if that matters." YES, every state is different. Please go to the OR OC site for good info!
    His Oregon Concealed Carry License would exempt him from the local ordinances, according to Oregon State Law:

    ORS 166.173 Authority of City or County to Regulate Possession of Loaded Firearms in Public Places.
    (1) A city or county may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the possession of loaded firearms in public places as defined in ORS 161.015.
    (2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section do not apply to or affect:
    (a) A law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty.
    (b) A member of the military in the performance of official duty.
    (c) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
    (d) A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building or court facility under ORS 166.370. [1995 s.s. c.1 4; 1999 c.782 8]
    So, the short answer is that his CCL actually makes it legal for him to open carry anywhere in Oregon concealed carry is allowed, regardless of city/county ordinances.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  6. Thanks guys. I am aware of some cities that do not allow open carry and that's OK with me, I was just wondering that since I have a CCL, that if I was allowed to open carry legally. What I'm trying to get at I think is that somewhere in the CCL laws I remember reading that you must conceal "completely" your firearm if you are carrying. In other words, no one should be able to see that you are carrying a firearm. Now if I was open carrying and an officer asked if I had a CCL, would that be taken as I did not conceal my weapon? I hope I'm making myself clear on this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumb View Post
    Thanks guys. I am aware of some cities that do not allow open carry and that's OK with me, I was just wondering that since I have a CCL, that if I was allowed to open carry legally. What I'm trying to get at I think is that somewhere in the CCL laws I remember reading that you must conceal "completely" your firearm if you are carrying. In other words, no one should be able to see that you are carrying a firearm. Now if I was open carrying and an officer asked if I had a CCL, would that be taken as I did not conceal my weapon? I hope I'm making myself clear on this question.
    There is no prohibition against openly carrying a firearm just because you have a CCL. The CCL provides you with the legal OPTION to conceal the gun if you choose to. Just like there is no prohibition against riding a bicycle when you get a license to drive a car - it only provides you with the legal OPTION to drive a car if you choose to.

    The CCL does not prohibit any action that was legal without it, it only causes more actions to become legal that were not without it.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  8. OK, I understand now and that's what I thought but I wanted to make sure. Just follow the laws no matter which way you carry. I just would hate to get arrested for some technical mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumb View Post
    OK, I understand now and that's what I thought but I wanted to make sure. Just follow the laws no matter which way you carry. I just would hate to get arrested for some technical mistake.
    The CCL actually protects you against being arrested for technical mistakes. If you are attempting to open carry, but a LEO does not think that it is exposed enough, and tries to arrest you for concealing, the CCL protects you.

    If you are attempting to conceal carry or you are just blatantly open carrying in a city or county that has an ordinance against carrying a loaded firearm, and a LEO sees it and thinks you are violating the ordinance, the CCL protects you against that as well because it exempts you from the local ordinance.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Certainly, you should read up on Oregon's laws and know them inside and out to the best of your ability. If you just want some practical application information though, check here at MarkedGuardian's YouTube channel. The owner of the channel, Warren, has spent about the last year going throughout the state while open carrying various weapons, but usually not just a handgun. He carries an AR15 at times, a .22 MP5 look-alike, and sometimes wears MOLLE vests and drop-leg tactical holsters. His mission is to draw attention to himself to educate both the general public and law enforcement about what is legal, and how your rights in Oregon are protected (or not, as the case may be) by your legislature and local LE agencies.

    Before anyone chimes in to take note of Warren's irritating voice and excited sounding speaking style, he has a speech impediment that he freely admits is off-putting and often taken by LEOs as indicative of an "attitude." But he knows the law, always stays within the law, gives props to LEOs that treat him with respect and by the law, and points out every violation by them that they make. There have been times where he has made LEOs aware that he does indeed have a speech impediment, but the LEOs who have already misunderstood or ignored his perfectly valid arguments because of his voice have rarely, if ever, taken that into consideration as the contact proceeds.

    Some people enjoy his videos, some hate 'em. I fall in neither category. I glean what information I can from them and discard what doesn't apply to me in my state. The guy is trying to do good works though. I don't see anything that suggests that he doesn't like cops or that he just enjoys causing trouble. What he enjoys most of all is being able to walk down a street and either be ignored by local LE because he isn't doing anything wrong, or he also seems to enjoy talking with cops as long as they remain friendly and respectful of his rights. Anyway, to the OP, check him out. You will learn a lot about both the law and how it is applied and enforced in Oregon.

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

  11. Thanks for the video link. I have seen one or two of his videos before. He does seem a little intimidating but I understand what he is doing and
    I don't see anything wrong with it.

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