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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock20 View Post
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    Not so much people you know should not own guns, but get some proper training.

    Training is free if one wants it.

    Knowledge, Skills, Attitude.

    Thousands of you tube videos by knowledgeable instructors on gun safety.
    I teach high school physics and I have trained people on the proper safety and use of firearms. There are some people that do not have the right maturity level and/or mental acuity to do either. Therefore, I would have to disagree with you and state that some people should NOT own guns. They are a danger to themselves and others... and the people I am referring to have had training, yet, as I've stated, don't have the right maturity level and/or mental acuity to embrace that training and carry it forward after the class (and sometimes during the class).
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    No, you're not wrong but an XD can't have a round in the chamber without being in that state. I was walking around with a second gen S&W in condition ZERO (chamber loaded, hammer cocked, ready to fire) in my holster.

    Again I am aware that this was incredibly unsafe and I'm not reccomending it

    But if my gun never just "went off" doing that how much less likely is it to happen with your XD or a Glock or my S&W carried properly decocked or even a 1911 in condition 1?
    I carry my XD always with one in the pipe. I have always since a federal LEO trained me on my first carry gun, a XD. Never had an issue with AD, except once when I picked it up, but that was because my finger hit the trigger not because "it just went off". Always in a holster, even sitting in the safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
    I am sure it is agreed that everyone is free to carry as they see fit. My thought after reading many of these posts is that there has to be consistency in the way you carry.
    Developing muscle memory is a matter of training your body what to do when your brain is processing other data.
    If you are carrying chambered then not chambered, you are not going to react properly when the time comes that you need your weapon.
    Training isn't about range day and squeezing the trigger, that's the last step in the training process.
    I try to carry the same 1911 cocked and locked all the time. It has a thumb safety and I train to take the thumb safety off as I draw the weapon from my holster.
    The act of lifting my shirt high with my left hand, drawing with my right, sweeping the safety off and pointing on target have to be imprinted in my muscles. The motions are second nature.
    Rarely do I carry my smaller gun, it is a Ruger SR9c, it also has a thumb safety so the sweeping motion is the same. I wear it at 4:00 just like the 1911.

    No matter how you decide to carry be sure your training is frequent, performed in a safe manner, and complete. Better good with a gun than lucky, but I'll take both.
    I'm very glad you said this. My EDC carry is either my G23 or G22 (for those who aren't familiar with Glock, they are both .40 cal). I have a BUG or one that I wear with short summer wear that is a Sig P238 (.380). It has an external safety on it, unlike the Glocks. Since I predominantly carry one of the Glocks, I practice with them more. I was at the range the other day and had my P238 holstered and I drew to fire at the target and neglected to hit the external safety. That concerned me A LOT!! I am now considering replacing that firearm (and I love it, it's a remarkable tool) and getting a Ruger LCP. My muscle memory was so ingrained to draw and fire that the Sig, no matter how great a weapon it is, will not suit me since it is mechanically different from what I'm used to. I must get a firearm that does not have an external safety. This is me.... I'm not recommending to others to make sure you get a firearm without an external safety, what I am saying is, whatever your choice of firearm is, practice with it so that you can react with it; develop your muscle memory. My muscles are already learned to not flick a safety, therefore having one is an obstacle for me now, just like someone who decides to carry chambered one day, and not the other day. Are you going to remember, today I do not need to rack the slide or today I must rack the slide in a pressure situation? I've proven to myself even in a non-pressure situation I wouldn't.

    Just as Kramer stated he practices lifting his shirt with his left hand, drawing with right as he clicks off the safety until it is a routine for him, this is what you need to do with your firearms. Most people have the will to win, when what they really need is the will to prepare. Tactically, practice practice practice.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    I'm very glad you said this. My EDC carry is either my G23 or G22 (for those who aren't familiar with Glock, they are both .40 cal). I have a BUG or one that I wear with short summer wear that is a Sig P238 (.380). It has an external safety on it, unlike the Glocks. Since I predominantly carry one of the Glocks, I practice with them more. I was at the range the other day and had my P238 holstered and I drew to fire at the target and neglected to hit the external safety. That concerned me A LOT!! I am now considering replacing that firearm (and I love it, it's a remarkable tool) and getting a Ruger LCP. My muscle memory was so ingrained to draw and fire that the Sig, no matter how great a weapon it is, will not suit me since it is mechanically different from what I'm used to. I must get a firearm that does not have an external safety. This is me.... I'm not recommending to others to make sure you get a firearm without an external safety, what I am saying is, whatever your choice of firearm is, practice with it so that you can react with it; develop your muscle memory. My muscles are already learned to not flick a safety, therefore having one is an obstacle for me now, just like someone who decides to carry chambered one day, and not the other day. Are you going to remember, today I do not need to rack the slide or today I must rack the slide in a pressure situation? I've proven to myself even in a non-pressure situation I wouldn't.

    Just as Kramer stated he practices lifting his shirt with his left hand, drawing with right as he clicks off the safety until it is a routine for him, this is what you need to do with your firearms. Most people have the will to win, when what they really need is the will to prepare. Tactically, practice practice practice.
    I train with both my XD without an external safety and my 1911 with an external safety. I train more with the 1911 to the point I pick up the XD and go to sweep the safety off.

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    Always +1
    Or you can use your carry pistol as a club LOL
    If it doesn't fit, FORCE it! If it breaks then it needed to be replaced anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChDangerfield View Post
    I carry my XD always with one in the pipe. I have always since a federal LEO trained me on my first carry gun, a XD. Never had an issue with AD, except once when I picked it up, but that was because my finger hit the trigger not because "it just went off". Always in a holster, even sitting in the safe.
    OK I think you are missing my point, you mentioned carrying a 1911 with a round in the chamber and the safety on in one post, what I was doing was equivalent to carrying a 1911 with around in the chamber, hammer cocked and the safety off.

    Do you get that?

    The point I was trying to make was that even doing something that unsafe I didn't ever have an accidental discharge so it very doubtful that I would have one carrying the gun properly
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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  8. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    OK I think you are missing my point, you mentioned carrying a 1911 with a round in the chamber and the safety on in one post, what I was doing was equivalent to carrying a 1911 with around in the chamber, hammer cocked and the safety off.

    Do you get that?

    The point I was trying to make was that even doing something that unsafe I didn't ever have an accidental discharge so it very doubtful that I would have one carrying the gun properly
    Ah. But you quoted me when I was talking about the XD and no safety at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChDangerfield View Post
    Ah. But you quoted me when I was talking about the XD and no safety at all.
    Wrong the XD has two safeties the grip safety and the safe action trigger. Also with a round in the chamber the XD is in a semi- cocked state, pulling the trigger moves the striker to a fully cocked state and releases it similar to a double action pistol.

    I was walking around with a single action pistol with the safety off

    Also in your post you attempted to compare my doing so with your carrying an XD with a round in the chamber

    Quote Originally Posted by ChDangerfield View Post
    This sounds like how you carry an XD. The striker back and round chambered. No thumb safety to flip on. Am I wrong on this?
    That is what i was addressing
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  10. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Wrong the XD has two safeties the grip safety and the safe action trigger. Also with a round in the chamber the XD is in a semi- cocked state, pulling the trigger moves the striker to a fully cocked state and releases it similar to a double action pistol.

    I was walking around with a single action pistol with the safety off

    Also in your post you attempted to compare my doing so with your carrying an XD with a round in the chamber



    That is what i was addressing
    The XD striker is always fully back. The sear drops but does not pull back. What you described is the glock action. And the safety I am referring to is the thumb safety like the 1911. XDs do not have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChDangerfield View Post
    Glock does not recommend one in the chamber for liability sake.

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    Whose liability theirs or yours. Theirs is for monetary reasons, yours is to save your life. Which do you think is more important? I know what my answer is, because they aren't worried about my life, not really.
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