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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior1256 View Post
    Lack of a safety is also why I like my Glock 21. It was also my last duty weapon before I retired from law enforcement.
    I like Glocks. The first sidearm I ever fired was the Glock 20. Beautiful piece of machinery, and despite what I hear from others who have fired the 10mm, I didn't find it difficult to control at all. First time out at 10 yards I maintained a 3" group in center mass, which I didn't think was too bad. Muzzle rise was incredibly manageable, and the recoil was nothing to speak of. Felt like it was part of my hand.

    These days, however, I find the Springfield fits my hand better, and as I said, I like the combination of safeties. It really does away with the need for a thumb safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Has anyone's opinions changed in the 10 days since the last post here?:

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/conce...afety-off.html

    Good grief.

    But, to end this post on a positive note; at least it wasn't a fourth thread started this week about carrying with a round in the chamber or not...
    I've been here for quite some time Navy.. .never saw that thread. Thanks for sharing it. Hopefully the OP, who posted his first question in this thread will find that thread useful too.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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  4. I only have one pistol with a safety, my EAA Witness 45. It's a little big and heavy for concealed carry. My other 3 pistols have no safety.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    I've been here for quite some time Navy.. .never saw that thread. Thanks for sharing it. Hopefully the OP, who posted his first question in this thread will find that thread useful too.
    I might have been too harsh in my post. But, geez.... there are just some topics that have a new thread started about the same thing at least once a month.... and I guess I am the type of person that likes to just find answers myself from what is already available rather than just asking the question with no research to begin with. I need to accept that not everyone is like that.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  6. My primary handguns have always been pistols with frame-mounted, thumb safeties. 1911, HK USP, FNP, etc. It is part of my training and thought process to draw, present, and then drop the safety just before acquiring the sight picture to fire. At the point I drop the safety I am psychologically crossing the line at which I will only refrain from firing if the target disarms and goes into full retreat. Due to the size of my hands and/or dexterity I have no problem engaging the safety without changing my grip.
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    I guess you could say I have a two-stage "condition red". Stage one is from the point where I know I must draw until the point when I have presented my pistol, thumb on the safety. During this stage I am assessing the target's reaction to the knowledge that I am armed. Given no reaction to show that the target is standing down I proceed immediately to stage two - disengage safety, sight alignment, fire.

  7. The problem with many, maybe most, thumb safeties out there is that they're not made for southpaws. I cannot tell you the number of guns I liked the look and feel of in the gun store, and then when holding it in my hand, discovered the safeties were on the wrong side, and non-reversible. I have stuck with Kahrs or Springfield XD models for concealed carry, as I am able to use the ambidextrous or non-existent external safeties without any trouble. Just one more way lefties get screwed I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I might have been too harsh in my post. But, geez.... there are just some topics that have a new thread started about the same thing at least once a month.... and I guess I am the type of person that likes to just find answers myself from what is already available rather than just asking the question with no research to begin with. I need to accept that not everyone is like that.
    I was trying to be diplomatic and make a point since I have respect for you Navy and for a lot of what you post.

    With that said, your can do it attitude is actually something I admire. People should know how to research the forums. However, I always check how many posts they've had before I say that since sometimes the forum to a new subscriber can be a bit awkward to navigate. If however they've had several hundred posts and are still asking the same types of questions that have been hashed and rehashed, I shall bow gracefully and let you have em'. LOL.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

  9. #28
    Hi all,
    Thanks for the replies. and to NavyLCDR, you are correct but I am new to the forum but I usually look back through posts a ways to see if there are any recent posts about the topic, if not, I just assume it hasn't been talked about it awhile. My mistake on this one.
    As for what kind of gun that I carry, it is the new Taurus PT111 Millenium G2 that does have a trigger safety on it. With that and the double action first pull of the trigger is fairly stout, I'm not worried about a accidental trigger pull.
    I do also have a Taurus 92 and there is no way I would carry that cocked without the safety on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michaelc748 View Post
    I do also have a Taurus 92 and there is no way I would carry that cocked without the safety on.
    If it's as good a copy of the Beretta 92F as it looks, there's no way you even can carry it cocked with the safety on. Engaging the safety on that weapon decocks it, doesn't it? After loading the chamber and decocking, that weapon should be perfectly safe to disengage the safety lever and carry chambered/safety off/DA mode for first round out.

    Blues
    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    If it's as good a copy of the Beretta 92F as it looks, there's no way you even can carry it cocked with the safety on. Engaging the safety on that weapon decocks it, doesn't it? After loading the chamber and decocking, that weapon should be perfectly safe to disengage the safety lever and carry chambered/safety off/DA mode for first round out.

    Blues
    It is one of Taurus' original copies that did NOT have the decocker. I can decock it manually but that is always a little sketchy and not something I like to do.

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