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  1. Should staff and teachers be able to carry in Schools?

    I am interested in what people think in regards to if staff and teachers should have the right to be able to CCW in a school setting? My state does not support this and I know a few other states in the last year have made it possible for school districts to make their own decision and decide upon whether or not for it. Thanks.

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    I think it should be up to the individual teacher or staff member. I also think all staff should have the appropriate training regardless of their choice so they may handle situations as they arise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babarock View Post
    I think it should be up to the individual teacher or staff member. I also think all staff should have the appropriate training regardless of their choice so they may handle situations as they arise.
    So I guess the school system should now go into the firearm sales and monthly PAID proficiency training business and when SWAT is needed and there is a shooting and someone comes around a corner in a corridor, they should wait to be sure they see his or her license to carry. Just saying there is a bad side to this as if the nut cases who have been the cause of all the paranoia will change their mind about unloading their arms on anyone, including that "staff member with appropriate training"---what exactly does appropriate training mean anyway?--they are not going to be highly trained police officers--they are still only highly trained educators

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    So I guess the school system should now go into the firearm sales and monthly PAID proficiency training business and when SWAT is needed and there is a shooting and someone comes around a corner in a corridor, they should wait to be sure they see his or her license to carry. Just saying there is a bad side to this as if the nut cases who have been the cause of all the paranoia will change their mind about unloading their arms on anyone, including that "staff member with appropriate training"---what exactly does appropriate training mean anyway?--they are not going to be highly trained police officers--they are still only highly trained educators
    Interesting response. You ask for the opinions of others, then launch into a rant when you don't get the response you wanted

    This question has been addressed in several threads over the years, which you already know, having been on this forum since 2009. You also know that the default response of the majority of forum members is going to lean toward arming teachers and staff members.

    Fact - it takes time for police to arrive - and then effect an entry - to active shooter events. In Grand Rapids, MI, cops have told teachers they need to hold out for at least 10 minutes before they can expect help. The AVERAGE 911 response time here is 18 minutes.

    Fact - according to tactical experts who have reviewed the major mass shooting events, every minute it takes for police to arrive on scene and effect an entry results in upwards of 7 casualties. Police arrived at Sandy Hook in something like 4 minutes, by which time most of the killing had already been done.

    Fact - according to research done by Don Kates, civilians use their firearms in lawful self defense between two and three million times a year (in over 98% of these cases the firearm is never actually fired, just displayed), yet, according to Gary Kleck's research, while civilians kill upwards of 3,000 bad guys in any given year (more than police kill), in only 2% of shootings do they account for killing someone who turns out to be innocent, while police kill someone who turns out to be innocent in 11% of their shootings - 5-1/2 times more than supposedly untrained, unqualified civilians.

    So you tell me: based on the objective data, not your own preconceived and misinformed notions, who is more likely to protect our children while exercising the necessary care to insure that innocent bystanders don't become innocent victims?

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    I need to add one more thought. I hear many refer to schools as "sacred places of learning." From that they go on to extrapolate that if a place is sacred, then any violence that takes place there is a desecration. They follow that train of thought to the conclusion that no weapons must be carried in a sacred place.

    I beg to differ.

    That which is sacred is worthy of our defense.

    Life is sacred, therefore it is worthy of defense. My faith is sacred, therefore it is worthy of defense. My family is sacred, therefore it is worthy of defense. If education is sacred, then it, too, is worthy of defense. Since life, family, and education are all to be found in a school, a school is worthy of defense.

    To FAIL to defend it is a desecration of everything sacred.

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    If teachers were armed there would be fewer school shootings, or at the least fewer fatalities. More guns less crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    So I guess the school system should now go into the firearm sales and monthly PAID proficiency training business and when SWAT is needed and there is a shooting and someone comes around a corner in a corridor, they should wait to be sure they see his or her license to carry. Just saying there is a bad side to this as if the nut cases who have been the cause of all the paranoia will change their mind about unloading their arms on anyone, including that "staff member with appropriate training"---what exactly does appropriate training mean anyway?--they are not going to be highly trained police officers--they are still only highly trained educators
    Go back, read my reply and take a deep breath.

    The individual should be able to make the choice if they want to carry or not - very 2A don't you think? Notice I didn't say firearms training nor SWAT training nor tactical. I didn't say REQUIRED. The individual should avail themselves of training on how to manage a classroom, how to calm an upset child, how to deescalate a situation, how to evade and if they choose to carry - how to secure their firearm and effectively use it to protect the children under their care and themselves.
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    Hell ya teachers and school personal should be able to carry in or at a school. I'm already planning to put my little ones in a private school where the school personal does carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    So I guess the school system should now go into the firearm sales and monthly PAID proficiency training business and when SWAT is needed and there is a shooting and someone comes around a corner in a corridor, they should wait to be sure they see his or her license to carry. Just saying there is a bad side to this as if the nut cases who have been the cause of all the paranoia will change their mind about unloading their arms on anyone, including that "staff member with appropriate training"---what exactly does appropriate training mean anyway?--they are not going to be highly trained police officers--they are still only highly trained educators
    I would start by saying appropriate training means that they are trained to stay out of the halls, they are not seeking the active shooter, they are not clearing the building. They barricade in and if the shooter enters the room they are armed and, thus, in a position to defend themselves and their students with lethal force. SWAT is trained to announce upon entering a room in active shooter situations, so appropriate training also means to disarm in the face of such an announcement.

    As an educator who is disarmed on the job, that would be a start.
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    My wife can, and does, carry to her school. She must leave it locked in her vehicle in the parking lot. Each of our schools has a police officer on duty everyday.
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    Teachers in Delton Kellogg schools in Barry County, MI, can become Sheriff reservists, and, once they have gone through the training, carry in school. In fact, the Barry County Sheriff is actively recruiting teachers for this very reason.

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