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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Why stop at the post office? If they come to confiscate guns at your home, should we hand them over and fight them in our righteous justice system? If they demand blood and semen samples for failing to stop at a stop sign and by signing your drivers license you have implied consent, just give in and fight them in court?

    Are Rights worth dying for?
    Recognize these words?:

    "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

    1. What effort will be required to throw off the US Government and to provide new Guards for our future security? Is one - or ten - or one hundred citizens standing up and saying we will die fighting for our rights if you try to take our guns from us going to accomplish it? Not likely.

    2. At this point, given all the options at the Federal government's disposal and the masses of people who currently want to establish the United Socialist States of Amerika and the masses of people who just wouldn't fight to overthrow the government anyway, is it even possible to affect a violent overthrow? Not likely.

    3. Can we provide new Guards for our future security by voting the right people into office? Maybe. Certainly more likely than options 1 or 2.

    4. History has proven over and over again what will happen when we allow the socialists to establish the United Socialist States of Amerika. And this is the course I believe we will see fulfilled within the next century. The government will simply grow itself into oblivion, destroy itself from the inside and collapse. Just like the USSR did.

    We each have to decide for ourselves when "light and transient causes" becomes "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism". The problem is that if you are only one of a small enough minority who decides that line has been crossed, you are guaranteed to not become the founding father of anything, but rather just a martyr who will be forgotten as soon as the next mass murderer hits the news.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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  3. Wow, looks like I kicked over a hornets nest and it has spilled into a couple of different threads.

    What I'm not seeing from anyone is a discussion of the higher law, meaning God's law. I don't know how many of you would even care, but for me His law transcends man's law and that includes both the understanding of what my fundamental rights are and also the understanding of how to respond when my rights are violated. I believe my right to possess and carry a firearms is a God-given right and that His scripture clearly supports the right of self-defense. That said, I also believe that we are not to disobey any law we see as unconstitutional or even perhaps in violation of our rights. We disobey the laws that cause us to sin.

    Is it causing me to sin not to carry in the PO? I don't believe so. I think it is wrong and unconstitutional, but I don't believe I'm sinning by choosing not to carry in the PO. An argument could be made about the need to protect our family and I certainly believe I'd be sinning not to do my utmost to guard and protect them, but carrying or not carrying in the Post Office really does not affect my ability to defend my family.

    So choose your battles very carefully, and for my part, I'll stand on the lines that force me into to disobeying my Lord. We have a lot of biblical example about obeying even unjust laws so long as they don't force you to disobey the highest authority, God. I don't know how much that matters to folks on here as I'm new to the forums, but hopefully that clarifies where I stand.

  4. #73
    I do believe it is illegal to even have a weapon (firearm) in the parking lot at the P.O. Not long ago I read a incident (don't remember where) where a fellow took his concealed weapon and put it in his glove compartment. Someone observed this and called the law. I do believe he was arrested.

  5. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    It is, but I was responding to his post, not yours, I wasn't questioning you just so you know.

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    I just wanted to make sure I was appropriately clear... I have been on vacation with irritating internet connection and many of the posts would not load until this morning for whatever reason. Didn't want to accidentally appear crazy!

    Disclaimer: Not actually calling anyone crazy here. Once I finish reading everything I might call someone's ideas crazy, but not yet.
    Modern Whig
    "Government is not meant to burden Liberty but rather to secure it." -T.J. O'Hara

  6. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Gatherer View Post
    I do believe it is illegal to even have a weapon (firearm) in the parking lot at the P.O. Not long ago I read a incident (don't remember where) where a fellow took his concealed weapon and put it in his glove compartment. Someone observed this and called the law. I do believe he was arrested.
    Something like that happened in Colorado a while back... If I'm correct, he challenged that law (because you are right, there was one) and earlier this year it finally got changed to where you can leave a gun in your car in the post office's parking lot. I'd double check with a lawyer, though, before taking my word for it. I read a news article stating that is what happened, but I don't know if that is just here, or if there are any other restrictions. I'll look for it again, but this was back in August, so I'm not sure how much luck I will have with finding it. If I do, I'll post it.
    Modern Whig
    "Government is not meant to burden Liberty but rather to secure it." -T.J. O'Hara

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Now, even if the law is overturned when someone files a wrongful death lawsuit against the police (which has nearly 100% chance of failing because the police were making an arrest for a violation of a law that currently did exist) there is still the fact that you are dead. Sure, we can drape a flag over your coffin and call you a patriot. Thank you for giving your life so that Americans can now carry firearms at the Post Office - too bad you won't be able to.
    That is an ideal I can come to terms with.
    One day we will see this action above take place. Like the lone man blocking a row of tanks with his own body...
    It's inevitable...



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  8. Quote Originally Posted by telpinaro View Post
    earlier this year it finally got changed to where you can leave a gun in your car in the post office's parking lot. I'd double check with a lawyer, though, before taking my word for it.
    Very good idea to not take your word for it....

    Code of Federal Regulations:
    eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations

    TITLE 39—Postal Service

    CHAPTER I—UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE

    SUBCHAPTER D—ORGANIZATION AND ADMINISTRATION

    PART 232—CONDUCT ON POSTAL PROPERTY

    232.1 Conduct on postal property.

    (a) Applicability. This section applies to all real property under the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies, and to all persons entering in or on such property. This section shall be posted and kept posted at a conspicuous place on all such property. This section shall not apply to—

    (i) Any portions of real property, owned or leased by the Postal Service, that are leased or subleased by the Postal Service to private tenants for their exclusive use;

    (l) Weapons and explosives. Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

    (p) Penalties and other law. (1) Alleged violations of these rules and regulations are heard, and the penalties prescribed herein are imposed, either in a Federal district court or by a Federal magistrate in accordance with applicable court rules. Questions regarding such rules should be directed to the regional counsel for the region involved.

    (2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to a fine as provided in 18 U.S.C. 3571 or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations or any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  9. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Very good idea to not take your word for it....
    Exactly why I said that! However, just found what I was looking for...

    Judge: Guns OK in post office parking lots | News - Home

    Here's the actual ruling:

    Bonidy v. USPS Order

    The judge left room for exceptions where guns can be banned, such as gated parking lots, but according to this federal judge, it seems the post office can't be as certain of our safety in the parking lots and we ought to be able to exercise our right to self defense.

    Again, I'd still check with a lawyer, especially outside of Colorado, but it's definitely encouraging.

    BTW... thoroughly enjoying your new "Element of Surprise" signature.
    Modern Whig
    "Government is not meant to burden Liberty but rather to secure it." -T.J. O'Hara

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    So instead of aiming at the government that's enforcing tyranny...You guys are aiming at those who say they will fight the government?

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    I agree with you there, but personally I wouldn't have said what Axe said on a public forum for the same reason that a few have stated so far...I have nothing to prove to anyone on this forum, so why am I gonna put a target on my back by saying that "I'll shoot any cop that tries to enforce an unconstitutional law" just for the sake of sounding like a hard ass. It's like warning criminals not to break into your house cause you'll shoot them. In reality, all you did was tell them you have guns to be stolen. There's just some things best left to yourself.

    Personally, I don't think I'll resist the gov't trying to take my guns because I don't have any to be taken. They've all been sold and my dog chewed up the documentation, but I'm not too worried about it since it's not legally required anyways. I only stick around here for the friendly chat ;)


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  11. Quote Originally Posted by telpinaro View Post
    Here's the actual ruling:

    Bonidy v. USPS Order

    The judge left room for exceptions where guns can be banned, such as gated parking lots, but according to this federal judge, it seems the post office can't be as certain of our safety in the parking lots and we ought to be able to exercise our right to self defense.

    Again, I'd still check with a lawyer, especially outside of Colorado, but it's definitely encouraging.

    BTW... thoroughly enjoying your new "Element of Surprise" signature.
    Thank you for the link! The text of the ruling won't come up for me out here at sea, but gives me a start for searching!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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