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    Been conceal carrying since the state of Illinois came to their senses a few years back. I always leave the house with my Glock 19 and spare magazine. If not that, I have a Sig P238 in my pocket. Lately I have been thinking of switching up to a Glock 29 (10mm), with a high speed/light weight cartridge (like Underwood perhaps). I see by this forum, that pistol(and that caliber) is not too popular. The weapon is the same size as my Glock 30, which I have never carried; stays home for use there. Anyway, is the 10mm just too much to be armed with? Also, would a court of law hold it against me for carrying such a "devastating" weapon?! You know, like the Rambo or Zombie Max stigma. Appreciate any conversation on this post; I want to get the Gen3 before it goes out of production. Actually it already is; have to settle for the 29 short frame issue.

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    I do carry my Glock 20 Gen 4 when in the woods with hot 10mm 200gr hardcast Underwood loads against four-legged predators. I also have 180gr Hornady XTP loads for two-legged predators. Now, the recoil of 10mm is stout. My first question would be, have you ever shot a warm or hot 10mm load?

    Realize that 10mm gives you better performance at the price of higher recoil. This is why I carry my Glock 19 Gen 4 when on the street. I don't think the better performance is so much better that it justifies trading off speed.

    As for your court of law statement. A justified self defense is a justified self defense and one that is not is not. If the caliber of 10mm comes up in court, that means your prosecutor has a weak case. Your lawyer will know what to do. 10mm is by far not a devastating caliber.

    Any particular reason to go with the Gen 3 instead of the Gen 4?

  4. Thanks for the quick response. Actually no, I have not fired a 10mm. Seems like everyone tells me that if carrying one with weaker loads, may as well be going with .40 cal. though. I would be more than glad to take your advice (gives me an excuse to buy another Glock!). I do watch many videos on YouTube; hot loads in 10mm, and recoil does not seem terribly bad. How it would affect a follow up shot when in my hands, not sure. Regarding why the Gen3, guess its because I own four of them already and really like look and feel of them, Gen4 not so much. Thanks again.

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  7. XD40...no, we were discussing a weapon not yet purchased (the 10mm)

  8. I carry a 10mm Glock 20 as my daily carry, usually. I am in a high-risk industry, and while the 10mm doesn't get a lot of love, I do think it's the perfect compromise between power and capacity. Yes, we all know a .44 magnum is more powerful, if you only need 6 rounds, but when you have to constantly think about the types of situations you normally only see in the movies, there really isn't anything that gives you that kind of power where you can carry 46 rounds comfortably. I usually have 2 extra mags in a paddle holster.

    If you're used to the shorter grip and you're okay with the capacity, the Glock 29 should do just fine. I would definitely recommend you go rent and shoot one first. The first 10mm I ever shot was a friend's Colt Delta Elite, before I got the Glock, and I fell in love. It was exactly what I was looking for. I was planning on shelling out $1200 for one of my own. It is extremely heavy recoil, which does have an impact on accuracy. Think of it this way: The 10mm is to the 40 S&W what the .357 Magnum is to the .38 Special. The difference here is that automatics absorb some of the recoil with the action, so your accuracy doesn't quite suffer as much. A .40 S&W is basically a 10mm short. You won't get nearly the same power, but you need to decide what situations you anticipate getting caught in to decide if it's overkill.

    I bought the Glock 20 almost on a whim, given that it had higher capacity and was on sale for less than half the price of the Colt. I have to tell you... this is one of the most accurate guns I've ever had. Despite the heavy recoil, I literally trust a Glock 10mm with my life. If you're going to go 10, considering price, frame options, capacity, and everything else, Glock is by far my first recommendation.

    I would rent one at a shooting range before you buy to decide. Also, remember that a low-power 10mm is still going to be far more powerful than a .40S&W+P, and as far as penetration goes, 9mm is ballistically superior to almost every other (within reason, folks) round on the market. I'd recommend you read up on ballistics of various rounds. They are good for different things.

    Also, and I guess this goes without saying, but a fully loaded 10mm is heavy. The Glock 29 would be much lighter than the 20, I imagine, but about the only way to carry it comfortably is in a Blackhawk SERPA paddle holster. That said, I can and do conceal that way, usually with a Hawaiian shirt or other loose article of clothing.

    As for the legal aspect, I've never worried about it because of the risk involved in my job and my friends in local law enforcement, but I also wouldn't worry if I was, say, out at the movies or something. An attack on your choice of caliber and ammunition can also be easily diminished by, 'Well, I carry a Glock because that's what the police use...' (standard disclaimer: consult an attorney before saying anything in court, of course).

    My usual advice in this situation, if you really can't decide, is to go ahead and buy the gun. If you decide later that you hate it, you can always sell or trade it for something else. Yes, there is a lot of backlash against 10mm, which I really don't understand. It's not the end-all be-all of ammunition. It has specific uses. But while not 'rare' they are rare enough that someone out there will always want one, if you go to sell or trade it.

  9. I'd be worried about beyond my target in a bad guy scenario. ....especially with hyped up rounds... to much pads thru like a .357 and probably next to nothing expansion ... not for me hollow points I'd consider...in 10mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by badchad250 View Post
    I'd be worried about beyond my target in a bad guy scenario. ....especially with hyped up rounds... to much pads thru like a .357 and probably next to nothing expansion ... not for me hollow points I'd consider...in 10mm
    Like what our President would say, WRONG! 10mm JHP ammunition has excellent ballistics. Think about this. You are shooting a .40 S&W JHP round with more speed. What happens? The additional speed causes faster expansion and slightly deeper penetration. Here is the round I carry on the street:



    17 inches penetration, that is within FBI spec. The hotter 200 gr JHP Underwood round has more weight, a different JHP design and the extra speed that causes even faster expansion and slightly less penetration (16 inches).

    jaenglish, I mostly agree with your post, except for the holster. I carry my Glock 20 in an NSR LLC-4 IWB holster. It is extremely comfortable and easily concealable.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    Like what our President would say, WRONG! 10mm JHP ammunition has excellent ballistics. Think about this. You are shooting a .40 S&W JHP round with more speed. What happens? The additional speed causes faster expansion and slightly deeper penetration. Here is the round I carry on the street:



    17 inches penetration, that is within FBI spec. The hotter 200 gr JHP Underwood round has more weight, a different JHP design and the extra speed that causes even faster expansion and slightly less penetration (16 inches).

    jaenglish, I mostly agree with your post, except for the holster. I carry my Glock 20 in an NSR LLC-4 IWB holster. It is extremely comfortable and easily concealable.
    Didn't know all that detail.... thanks for the info sir

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