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  1. When local business post no weapons

    I am new to the forum and not sure if this has been discussed before, so forgive me if it has. My question is when encountering a business with a no weapons sign on the door do you still carry your concealed firearm in the establishment? My thoughts are if my weapon is concealed properly then they shouldn't even know it's there. But along with that if the need should arise, i.e. Active shooter, armed robbery, I would not unholster my weapon unless myself or my family is in eminent danger. Just looking for others thoughts on this. I am obviously not talking about government buildings or schools here just restaurants and other merchants.

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    You are not sure if this has been discussed before? Really?!? Wow. Maybe you should try reading the forum just a tiny little bit first because only 7 threads down on the Concealed Carry Discussion page - which is on the exact same webpage that your thread is on at the moment, is this:

    https://www.usacarry.com/forums/conc...usinesses.html

    So, I mean really?!!!!!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    It gets discussed over and over.

    If I ever see a "no guns" sign then I will turn away and shop someplace else.

    If I don't see one then I don't worry about it.

    My 45ACP is always carefully concealed under a sweatshirt or sweater AND jacket with an IWB holster so you would need crystal balls or xray vision to see my 45ACP on me.

    If I see someone in open carry mode, then I raise and tuck my sweatshirt/sweater so that I too am in open carry mode.

    Open carry mode can draw about 1/4 to 1/2 second faster than from concealed carry, therefore I do not want to concede the advantage.

    If I see someone with a gun out and in their hands I draw my gun immediately.

    If I see them pointing their gun at another person this is a class A felony and I will shoot them immediately probably about 3 to 5 times.

    If that other person is me, they will probably be dead already. Situational awareness on my part prevents anyone with a gun getting close enough to me to shoot me first.

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    1. No one has any right to be on/in someone else's private property. All anyone ever has is the property owner's permission if the owner grants it.

    2. Businesses that are open to the public are still private property.

    3. "Open to the public" does not mean the property is open to everyone. It means the property is "open" only to those members of the public who agree to abide by the property owner's policies/rules as a condition of the owner granting permission to enter.

    4. Trespass is defined as being on/in the private property of another without permission.

    5. Those who do not agree to abide by a no guns policy/rule do not have the property owner's permission to enter and are therefor trespassing.

    6. Trespass is a crime. How and when the penalties for trespass (ranging from simply being asked to leave to being arrested) are appled varies in the laws of each state.

    7. Being arrested for trespass could negatively impact a person's carry permit.

    Also...

    It isn't logical for someone who supports the right to bear arms to shop at a business with a no guns policy/rule and increase the profits so the businessman can afford to open yet another business with a no guns policy/rule.

    Those who expect their right to bear arms be respected while sneaking their gun into/onto private property that has a no guns policy/rule are being hypocritical because their actions show disrespect for the property owner's property right to deny entry to those who bear arms.

    Everyone has the choice of disrespecting the property owner's rights and chancing suffering the penalties of being caught trespassing while adding to the businessman's profits... or avoiding all that by shopping elsewhere.
    Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J. C. Watts

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    If I see someone in open carry mode, then I raise and tuck my sweatshirt/sweater so that I too am in open carry mode.

    Open carry mode can draw about 1/4 to 1/2 second faster than from concealed carry, therefore I do not want to concede the advantage.
    Concede the advantage to whom? Are you afraid that the person open carrying might beat you to being the hero if a criminal should happen to commit a violent crime in their presence as well as your own?

    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    If I see someone with a gun out and in their hands I draw my gun immediately.
    Call me a coward - I'm looking for the nearest exit first. I have a family to support.

    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    If I see them pointing their gun at another person this is a class A felony and I will shoot them immediately probably about 3 to 5 times.
    There are several instances in which pointing a gun at another person is not a crime. You could just as easily be shooting a person who is defending themselves against a hostile action that was taken against them. You could just as easily be shooting a police officer not in uniform affected an arrest.

    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    If that other person is me, they will probably be dead already. Situational awareness on my part prevents anyone with a gun getting close enough to me to shoot me first.
    Because it seems like you are just itching for a reason to draw your gun and be some sort of superhero.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Concede the advantage to whom? Are you afraid that the person open carrying might beat you to being the hero if a criminal should happen to commit a violent crime in their presence as well as your own?



    Call me a coward - I'm looking for the nearest exit first. I have a family to support.



    There are several instances in which pointing a gun at another person is not a crime. You could just as easily be shooting a person who is defending themselves against a hostile action that was taken against them. You could just as easily be shooting a police officer not in uniform affected an arrest.



    Because it seems like you are just itching for a reason to draw your gun and be some sort of superhero.
    The USMC D/I's in your USN boot camp should have taught you "never ass-u-me".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Concede the advantage to whom? Are you afraid that the person open carrying might beat you to being the hero if a criminal should happen to commit a violent crime in their presence as well as your own?



    Call me a coward - I'm looking for the nearest exit first. I have a family to support.



    There are several instances in which pointing a gun at another person is not a crime. You could just as easily be shooting a person who is defending themselves against a hostile action that was taken against them. You could just as easily be shooting a police officer not in uniform affected an arrest.



    Because it seems like you are just itching for a reason to draw your gun and be some sort of superhero.
    OMG. Dude you are stroking out over a troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    OMG. Dude you are stroking out over a troll
    Are you a troll? You sound like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    OMG. Dude you are stroking out over a troll
    I think it is important to post common sense rebuttals so that new people like Blredneck13 don't read the bravado B.S. posts and think that is the way all concealed carriers act. And since Blredneck13 started a thread about a subject that was already right on the very same web page that he posted it on, it's clear that he isn't going to read much else, even if he reads replies to his own thread.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Here are my rules for public carry(ing) of firearms.

    1 - either you carry all the time or you carry none of the time.

    2 - concealed carry is superior to open carry because nobody can see your firearm and it does not create a stir among gun scared-ee cats.

    3 - if someone (other than a police officer) comes into your view who is open carry(ing) their firearm then you need to remove your concealment as well and match them open carry for open carry. No choice. Otherwise they can out-draw you by 1/4th to 1/2 second.

    4 - Never take your firearm out of your holster except (1) in self defense to shoot, (2) at the gun range to practice, or (2) at home to clean it after shooting it.

    5 - The only appropriate holds for a firearm are (1) holstered or slung, or (2) drawn and pointed vertically (up) in the carrying position for movement, or (3) aimed low on target in the ready position pointing towards the ground at your target, or (4) on target as you pull the trigger to shoot and kill.

    6 - If your firearm is properly concealed then it does not matter what any sign says. Nobody is going to know about it.

    Those are all good rules that someone preparing to carry in public needs to know and memorize. Bravado or no bravado.

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