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  1. Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    Unless you have crystal balls Sailor Sam, you cannot predict what the SCOTUS will do.

    In the meantime Scalia's write-up of Heller is the best guidance we have that is current and on point.

    Scalia does not "trump" (supersede) states' rights with the 2nd Amendment as far as public carry(ing) goes.

    He only supersedes states' rights to the extent they violate the "keep" clause -- which he interprets and defines as "keep in your home" not "keep in your pocket."

    You should know all that Sailor Sam, if you read Heller carefully.

    You would not have made it to O-4 if you were not a college grad and/or if you could not read.
    I asked you to quote Scalia and you have not. I cannot prove that someone did not day something - you have to prove that they did.

    This is a quote:
    "Thus, the right secured in 1689 as a result of the Stuarts’ abuses was by the time of the founding understood to be an individual right protecting against both public and private violence."

    You can provide no such quotes supporting your opinion of what Scalia said because, simply, Scalia stated no such thing. I welcome you to prove me wrong.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    I'm not a judge and I don't even play one on TV. To me, "keep and bear arms" means to both possess (keep) and carry (bear) arms. Otherwise, the 2nd Amendment would say only "keep arms" without bearing (carrying) them from place to place. That would make no sense.

    IMO

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Reba View Post
    I'm not a judge and I don't even play one on TV. To me, "keep and bear arms" means to both possess (keep) and carry (bear) arms. Otherwise, the 2nd Amendment would say only "keep arms" without bearing (carrying) them from place to place. That would make no sense.

    IMO
    You have too much common sense to be a judge! :-)
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    You have too much common sense to be a judge! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I asked you to quote Scalia and you have not. I cannot prove that someone did not day something - you have to prove that they did.

    This is a quote:
    "Thus, the right secured in 1689 as a result of the Stuarts’ abuses was by the time of the founding understood to be an individual right protecting against both public and private violence."

    You can provide no such quotes supporting your opinion of what Scalia said because, simply, Scalia stated no such thing. I welcome you to prove me wrong.
    I don't care about proving you anything -- right or wrong.

    You made it to O-4 yet you sound like a juvenile child.

    You can look through my posts on this website and find my citation to Scalia. It's there.

    Or you can read the case again -- more carefully this time:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reba View Post
    I'm not a judge and I don't even play one on TV. To me, "keep and bear arms" means to both possess (keep) and carry (bear) arms. Otherwise, the 2nd Amendment would say only "keep arms" without bearing (carrying) them from place to place. That would make no sense.

    IMO
    You need to read Scalia's write up of Heller to find out what "keep" and what "bear" means.

    He defines them nicely.

    It's not what you think it is:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    You need to read Scalia's write up of Heller to find out what "keep" and what "bear" means.

    He defines them nicely.

    It's not what you think it is:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
    LOL. He just cites the 64-page DC v. Heller decision and the 44-page dissenting opinion in one document, which mentions "keep" 178 times and "bear" 262 times. No direct quote of the specific text he refers to with page number and paragraph number. What a troll.

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    Scalia discusses the 2nd Amendment beautifully and he goes back several hundred years into English history pre-colonization of America.

    Anyone who cannot follow his well organized and artful explanation is simply illiterate.

    You don't need to be a genius, a judge, or even a lawyer.

    Just take it one paragraph at a time and read slow.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKS View Post
    You need to read Scalia's write up of Heller to find out what "keep" and what "bear" means.

    He defines them nicely.

    It's not what you think it is:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
    Thanks but no thanks.

    I was merely stating my opinion, not anyone else's.

    Heller has been discussed and rehashed in this forum plenty enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reba View Post
    Thanks but no thanks.

    I was merely stating my opinion, not anyone else's.

    Heller has been discussed and rehashed in this forum plenty enough.
    Well you are not going to learn anything unless you read more.

    And the USMC D/I's in USN boot camp that you went to should have taught you that everyone has an opinion and they all .... something like that.

    Whenever an opinion is based on no research at all then it truly ... you know what.

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