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    Question Body Size Affecting Concealment?

    I am a fairly large man (6'-2" and 325 pounds) and have recently received my permit to carry. I have a Fobus roto-tilt paddle holster and and I am trying to carry my XD 45 Compact strong side between my right hip and my butt cheek. I am not sure if it is just my newness causing me to be "too aware" of my gun profiling under my jacket, but I haven't found a place that seems to hide the gun as nicely as I would like. I have tried from directly over my right hip all the way to SOB and modified the tilt of the holster in each position.

    If there are other, larger-framed men out there who have been able to deal with concealment successfully, I would love to hear what you are doing.

    Thanks!

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    I am no small man, 6' 0 250 lbs. I use an OWB leather holster strong side at about 4:00, from Mernicle Holsters. They ride a little higher than most, structured so they hold tight to my body, and have a fairly short draw (can get it out of the holster quicker). I tried a couple others before finding one that worked well. I don't use a thumb break, as it just adds bulk and my firearm is well secured in the holster (all their holsters are custom built to the gun, but are no more expensive than others). If you are new to CC, as I was, you can be a little self conscious initially. I thought that it was fairly evident I was carrying. To my surprise, most co-workers still don't realize it. Hope this helps.

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    Welcome to USACarry first off.

    You've got 100 pounds on me, but we're the same height. Being from MN, you have the weather in winter that should afford you to conceal just about anything anywhere. (Not to rub it in, but today it was in the 70's again and I was out on my bike!)

    I personally carry strong-side right at 3 o'clock, or sometimes just ahead of my hip. (P229 or 1911) I get real paranoid if my gun is too far behind my hip where a simple elbow drop can't cover it. Just my personal phobia when it comes to weapon retention. Though I KNOW my gun isn't visible to the casual observer, I don't want to get careless, so I try to assume it IS visible and behave with positioning and movement accordingly.

    I also choose to not use a thumb break, and my leather pancake holster rides high enough that waist-length jackets keep it well covered, and it's readily available for quick access. I've starched the &%$# out if it to help it maintain it's molded shape, which aids in reholstering without looking down and fumbling around too. If it ever does get cold, I'll carry with my Blackhawk Serpa, which rides a bit lower but includes the retention device. I'm seriously looking at an IWB option for my 1911 GSR though.
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    Lightbulb I like the Fobus, but.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AZSATT View Post
    (Not to rub it in, but today it was in the 70's again and I was out on my bike!)
    Oh, you cheeky bastard! Go ahead and gloat. It is snowing here right now.

    Welcome, BigRoss!

    I am also a husky, big-boned type. (Okay, I'm fat) I actually tried a Fobus RotoTilt that my buddy had, and I found that the holster really seems to stick out. Nice fit for the range or open carry (although for open I like something with active retention) but difficult to conceal. Unfortunately, for those of us with Donelap's Disesase (where our belly has "done lapped" over our belt) our conceal options are fewer. I have found that a nice, form fitting leather IWB (In Waist Band) is the most concealable. Unfortunately, you will probably have to buy some new pants that are one size larger than normal, but I would try with your current pants first.

    When carrying OWB (Over Waist Band) concealed I usually like as minimal a holster as is practical, Like a speed scabbard. This is what I like:

    http://dragon.hematite.com/M7X_01.jpg

    However, when it comes to IWB, I really have three things that I look for; ability to conform to user (leather or other hide), ability to use with shirt tucked or untucked (no reason to buy two holsters for the same basic job), and most importantly a shield between my body and the gun. This is very important for us big fellas. It results in a much more comfortable carry, and protects the firearm from our corrosive sweat. This will be my next purchase:

    Links

    When I carry IWB I usually carry strong side, 4 or 5 o'clock.

    Good luck, and happy carrying!

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    http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/511-Undergear/Tops/Holster-Shirt/D/30100/P/1:100:10000:10800:10801/I/40011

    BigRoss,
    Welcome.

    At 5'10", 250. I'm according to the Navy Obese, but they don't account for muscle, but all I have is Love handles. I deal with a 5.11 tactical Holstershirt (the link above, but I've found it cheaper though)and a IWB uncle mikes holster at about 5 o'clock. I just have a good belt to hold up the pants. As a larger build guy, I like the under the shoulder holster shirts personally, but I can't always do that, hence the IWB
    Last edited by lukem; 03-04-2009 at 10:48 AM. Reason: added link

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    Thanks for the advice guys. I have decided most definitely for getting an IWB holster. I just need to find something within my budget (which isn't much).

    I really like the idea of SOB carry. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRossation View Post
    Thanks for the advice guys. I have decided most definitely for getting an IWB holster. I just need to find something within my budget (which isn't much).

    I really like the idea of SOB carry. Any thoughts?
    With icy or wet conditions, you risk falling down and landing with pistol between hard surface and hip/spine. Not a good combination.

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    I really like the idea of SOB carry. Any thoughts?
    I tried it and as I spend a lot of time in a car, I found it terribly uncomfortable.
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    My CC Instructor mentioned that falling on your back with SOB carry can mess you up bad. He is a Fugitive Recovery Agent and carries SOB and is very conscious about getting into a tussle and ending up flat on his back. Maybe warm weather carry would be okay.

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    When I'm out and about (in CC legal territory), I carry SOB, IWB and ankle (three's a charm ) while working bail enforcement, close protection or investigative assignments. While on "leisure time" (again in CC legal territory), I minus the ankle holster. I often do a lot of driving (the run between Las Vegas, NV and Phoenix, AZ comes to mind), the SOB doesn't seem to bother me as much as it does others. I've found that adjusting the seat position and lumbar support tend to help.

    In past encounters, I have landed on my back. Learning how to fall properly and practicing the techniques saved me from messing up my spine. As how we protect our primary firearm with our strong hand, when falling, I use my support hand to break my fall if I'm unable to "tuck and roll". Key thing to remember is that you need to plan for various things that can happen and then train appropriately.

    My suggestion is to find a carry method(s) that works for you, then figure out what may happen in the course of life and train accordingly.



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