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    Quote Originally Posted by Glockster20 View Post
    Do NOT be under the influence of drugs or alchohol while carrying in AL or your permit is void. I personally think this is a good law. As others have stated, guns & booze = bad news! You might as well douse yourself in gasoline and strike a match!
    AL has some very strange laws.

    • May but typically does issue with any set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wishes.
    • Recognition and reciprocity with many States.
    • No short rifles or shotguns. Silencers, machine guns, large bore destructive devices and AOWs allowed.

    It's void if the issuing sheriff says it is or puts it as a restriction on your AL permit (i.e. a qualified permit). AL is may issue with whatever set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wants to put on it or give you an unlimited license with no restrictions. It's also part of AL Code 13A-11-75 that the sheriff may revoke any license issued by them for any reason. It's not codified that you'll get your AL license revoked if you're carrying under the influence but there's a very high probability it will.

    It's also interesting to note that if you're visiting AL that this does not apply to you. AL sheriffs cannot put any restrictions on a recognized or reciprocal State's CCW. AL sheriffs do not have the authority to revoke a recognized or reciprocal CCW as they did not issue it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Alcohol and guns don't mix. I'd find some smarter friends, if I were you.
    With respect, I can count many times where i've had a beer or two over 3-4 hours at the bar and have been deemed fully alert in those situations. I would appreciate it if you didn't refer to people making the choice to stay protected at one of those "unsafe areas" I keep hearing about as less than smart. CCW is a lifestyle choice and I see it as completely silly to walk into a place where there is other, less responsible peoples getting drunk and possibly causing a ruckus without my firearm. Why should I stay away from alcohol in reasonable consumption while carrying simply because others who are less responsible can't figure out when it's time to stop drinking?

    I understand that to many this is a bad combination. There are some times where I would agree, but I have always been responsible with my firearm. That's not to say I haven't had a few close calls to beat it in... I am human afterall. I just think that to call someone stupid for drinking and carrying makes you no better than those who stand against gun rights but think it's okay for guns to protect us from terrorists.

    Just my opinion. I respect yours so please respect mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    AL has some very strange laws.

    • May but typically does issue with any set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wishes.
    • Recognition and reciprocity with many States.
    • No short rifles or shotguns. Silencers, machine guns, large bore destructive devices and AOWs allowed.

    It's void if the issuing sheriff says it is or puts it as a restriction on your AL permit (i.e. a qualified permit). AL is may issue with whatever set of restrictions the issuing sheriff wants to put on it or give you an unlimited license with no restrictions. It's also part of AL Code 13A-11-75 that the sheriff may revoke any license issued by them for any reason. It's not codified that you'll get your AL license revoked if you're carrying under the influence but there's a very high probability it will.

    It's also interesting to note that if you're visiting AL that this does not apply to you. AL sheriffs cannot put any restrictions on a recognized or reciprocal State's CCW. AL sheriffs do not have the authority to revoke a recognized or reciprocal CCW as they did not issue it.
    I agree with you that AL laws ARE strange... The stance on title 2 weapons that you pointed out, etc. Correct about the Sheriff's powers too...

  5. Along the same lines, I think the law prohibiting carry in an establishment that sells for consumption needs some attention. I agree with the law when it comes to alcohol only establishments (bars), but I think I should be allowed to carry in a restaurant. When was the last drunken brawl at Applebee's or Olive Garden? I have no problem dining beside a responsible carrying citizen who wants to have a couple glasses of wine with dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrc1962 View Post
    Along the same lines, I think the law prohibiting carry in an establishment that sells for consumption needs some attention. I agree with the law when it comes to alcohol only establishments (bars), but I think I should be allowed to carry in a restaurant. When was the last drunken brawl at Applebee's or Olive Garden? I have no problem dining beside a responsible carrying citizen who wants to have a couple glasses of wine with dinner.
    The problem is that you have a very powerful lobbyist to your State legislature, that's why it keeps on getting shot down. Be patient and persistent with your State legislators.

    I don't have an issue with bar carry probably because I'm in Nevada and not stepping through a bar or casino is a rarity here. If bar carry were outlawed in NV it would effectively make CCW here as useless as it is there or in NC with the laundry list of prohibited areas.
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  7. Bar only would mean that they only sell alcohol. That would omit any place that also sells food. Around here the alcohol only bars can get pretty rough. Casinos sell food so that shouldn't be a problem. I don't go to bars just because I don't drink, but I do go out to dinner at restaurants that happen to serve alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrc1962 View Post
    Bar only would mean that they only sell alcohol. That would omit any place that also sells food. Around here the alcohol only bars can get pretty rough. Casinos sell food so that shouldn't be a problem. I don't go to bars just because I don't drink, but I do go out to dinner at restaurants that happen to serve alcohol.
    Real casinos are essentially megamall sized establishments with machines, tables, bars, restaurants and other methods of entertainment.

    One of the things that really irks me about people with the holier than thou prohibition attitude about firearms, bars and casinos is that shall issue CCW has worked here in Nevada for about 15 years where bars and casinos were never a prohibited area.

    I go to other States where casinos are a prohibited area, shake my head and laugh, "You call that a casino?"

    Also keep in mind that casinos here are pretty strict about security. We don't have that nonsense of roughness in casinos or bars with gaming licenses as it's bad for business and costs the State money.

    It's an issue of demographics. The problems here get taken care of quickly as it's bad for business and gaming revenue. If there are problems in your area with the bars then your PD or sheriff's department needs to address it or your county commission or city council needs to start pulling liquor licenses. Restricting lawful CCW there is not the answer.
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  9. I agree, I don't think casinos should be banned. A casino is not a bar. They provide many services, only one of which is alcohol. Alcohol only establishments tend to cater to people who only want to drink since that's pretty much all you can do there. That usually ends up with people getting drunk. I think most decent bars and pubs also serve food so a bar only ban really shouldn't be too hard on most people. Just won't be able to carry into the local biker bar.

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    In KY you CAN carry into any establishment that sells Alcohol for consumption on the property AS LONG AS the food sale is 50% or more of the places profit. This means you CAN carry into places Like Buffalow Wild Wings , Hooters, and other such places. I've talked to the managers at BW3's and their alcohol sales rerely hit 40%. As for the Drinking and Carrying. It's your choice. I have been to places like these and had a beer with dinner. I'm not one to drink alot. ( 2 tall beers is the most i will drink.) That's my choice. as for the law I'm not sure there is one. i will definatly find out and post it.
    Andrew

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    Its a double edged sword. I carry into the local Chinese joint every time I go, which isn't often, but they do serve beer and wine. I have never seen anyone drink a beer or glass of wine in there, however.

    When it comes to restaraunts with a bar inside, I know legally, with a lawyer, I could get away with it if the SHTF, but I just leave it locked in my car. I have devoted 6 years of my life now finding other means to defend myself without a weapon so I am fairly confident in my ability to get out and away from a situation, or at worst, deal with a confrontation without my firearm. When it comes to bars, I like to sing karaoke and have a good time and drink with my friends so if this is planned in the mix, my gun stays at home. If we end up having to call a cab, I don't want my firearm getting stolen from my car where it is parked overnight under no supervision.

    I however haven't been able to find anything saying I can't bring my ASP with me, even to an establishment where alcohol only is served... so I typically will pack the ASP concealed along with a 4oz can of Fox.

    Keep in mind however that in FL, we have a concealed weapons licence that is good for any weapon, not just a firearm!

    Not having a firearm just means you can't return fire with bullets, but with a good set of martial arts skills and the right tools, you can still manage to get yourself away from a bad situation! If you must put yourself in a bar type situation (like me), then I would highly suggest that one looks into other means of protection for when you have to go without a firearm.
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