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    Sheldon, WY law prevents CCW for those with MISDEMEANOR drug offenses, such as possession of paraphinalia. WY is saying they won't reciprocate with states that don't permanently prohibit for these offenses.

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    yeah ... but you can smoke the stuff (not inhale of course), admit to it, and become president of this country !!!
    yeah doesn't really make a lot of sense does it?
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfhunter View Post
    Sheldon, WY law prevents CCW for those with MISDEMEANOR drug offenses, such as possession of paraphinalia. WY is saying they won't reciprocate with states that don't permanently prohibit for these offenses.
    And that same Misdemeanor will disqualify you for your CCW in Michigan.... this is unless you pay out a heap of $$$$$$ and get the charges dismissed and it expunged from your record.... Which in WY expunged means just that and I bet it is the same there.
    You apparently do not understand, they put you under a microscope here and anything that can, will disqualify you for your CCW, DUI, Petty Larceny, too many speeding tickets, almost anything.

    When you go before our County gun board they ask these questions, yes you can lie about it but you will eventually be found out and permanently loose your CCW, with possible criminal charges brought against you.

    Some counties just send you your permit, and that means they have already ran you through the system and you came back squeaky clean.
    Last edited by Sheldon; 02-23-2009 at 10:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    And that same Misdemeanor will disqualify you for your CCW in Michigan.... this is unless you pay out a heap of $$$$$$ and get the charges dismissed and it expunged from your record.... Which in WY expunged means just that and I bet it is the same there.
    You apparently do not understand, they put you under a microscope here and anything that can, will disqualify you for your CCW, DUI, Petty Larceny, too many speeding tickets, almost anything.
    As usual, you don't know or understand your own State's law. Controlled substance violations disqualify you from a MI CPL 3 or 8 years depending on the conviction (i.e. it's temporary and can be fixed with time). These are the statutory requirements from MSP.

    Under current WY law, any controlled substance violation is a forever and permanent statutory prohibiting condition for a WY CCW. I don't know if an expunged conviction will do you any good there.

    Yes and I'm put under the microscope in CT, FL, ME, NV, NH and UT. I'm not renewing my VA since I'm not eligible for WV reciprocity anymore. The only one that I have that makes it a possible permanent prohibiting condition are CT and UT as they made the grade for WY. FL has controlled substance violations as a prohibiting condition for three years, NV five.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    As usual, you don't know or understand your own State's law. Controlled substance violations disqualify you from a MI CPL 3 or 8 years depending on the conviction (i.e. it's temporary and can be fixed with time). These are the statutory requirements from MSP.

    Under current WY law, any controlled substance violation is a forever and permanent statutory prohibiting condition for a WY CCW. I don't know if an expunged conviction will do you any good there.

    Yes and I'm put under the microscope in CT, FL, ME, NV, NH and UT. I'm not renewing my VA since I'm not eligible for WV reciprocity anymore. The only one that I have that makes it a possible permanent prohibiting condition are CT and UT as they made the grade for WY. FL has controlled substance violations as a prohibiting condition for three years, NV five.
    Damn U R soooo smart, and yet so ignorant at the same time. County Gun Boards look at this data of past and prior offenses expired or not, make you appear before them, disqualify you, and make you retain a lawyer and take them to task before they will issue you a CCW. Hence you are disqualified for life unless you retain good legal counsel. Get a good enough lawyer there and I would be willing to bet you can circumvent their system too. If you lived here you would know more than what you read on the INTERNET, would belong to the grass roots groups and go to all the meetings where they discuss these issues.

    So basically you are no more qualified to discuss issues involving Michigan precedence than I am such issues in your state.
    Last edited by Sheldon; 02-23-2009 at 12:41 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    Damn U R soooo smart, and yet so ignorant at the same time. County Gun Boards look at this data of past and prior offenses expired or not, make you appear before them, disqualify you, and make you retain a lawyer and take them to task before they will issue you a CCW. Hence you are disqualified for life unless you retain good legal counsel. Get a good enough lawyer there and I would be willing to bet you can circumvent their system too. If you lived here you would know more than what you read on the INTERNET, would belong to the grass roots groups and go to all the meetings where they discuss these issues.

    So basically you are no more qualified to discuss issues involving Michigan precedence than I am such issues in your state.
    We went through this issue in a prior thread.

    I do not believe a County Gun Board can legally deny you if you meet the statutory eligibility requirements which are documented on the MSP CPL eligibility requirements page. It may take a judicial review to overturn the board's decision if it was arrived at in a capricious manner, however they know they will lose. They may also end up having to pay your legal bill in the process.

    Yes, it's true I do not live in MI nor do I care to live in any State that has a State income tax. However, the MSP's CPL eligibility page is pretty clear to me.

    The merit of the thread is why WY is canceling reciprocity, I have pointed out the statutory reasons why. You're eligible under MI law to get a CPL with misdemeanor control substance convictions after the appropriate time frame has passed. It's MI law that the WY AG is evaluating, not what MI County Gun Boards practice which may be illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netentity View Post
    We went through this issue in a prior thread.

    I do not believe a County Gun Board can legally deny you if you meet the statutory eligibility requirements which are documented on the MSP CPL eligibility requirements page. It may take a judicial review to overturn the board's decision if it was arrived at in a capricious manner, however they know they will lose. They may also end up having to pay your legal bill in the process.

    Yes, it's true I do not live in MI nor do I care to live in any State that has a State income tax. However, the MSP's CPL eligibility page is pretty clear to me.

    The merit of the thread is why WY is canceling reciprocity, I have pointed out the statutory reasons why. You're eligible under MI law to get a CPL with misdemeanor control substance convictions after the appropriate time frame has passed. It's MI law that the WY AG is evaluating, not what MI County Gun Boards practice which may be illegal.
    And I am trying to point out that Michigan meets their requirements. Yes the gun boards do regularly act just like a judge will in court and make decisions bassed uppon opinion, contrary to how the law is written. If there is any doubt they error on the side of no CCW and let you hire counsel, and I bet Michigan is not the only state that does this...

    I know you have had to heard of similar instances in other states, and have likely read a gripe posted by someone this has happened to.

    Anywhere you put people in power they will interpret (re) the law to mean what ever they want it to. Is this legal... no... do we have to fight it on a regular bassis.... yes.... So how many of these threads have you read involve some official someplace re reading some law and making a new decision of how it is to be interpeted.... something like this one.

    The good news is the NRA and the gun owners have brought so much heat on this issue that WY has put a Hiatus on this AG opinion taking effect... so you are still good to go in WY for a while at least that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheldon View Post
    And I am trying to point out that Michigan meets their requirements.
    Under the letter of WY law MI does not nor do many other States. The WY AG's office is only concerned with what MI law states the eligibility requirements are.

    I have pointed out why MI does not meet their requirements from your own State Police's CPL page. Several posters here agree with me. If you want to believe stop signs are green and the sky is red that is your choice.

    What matters is what WY law is and the person charged with establishing recognition and reciprocity has stated only a few States are eligible for recognition or reciprocity with WY. I have two of those States so the issue does not affect me.

    The NRA and the WY legislature is involved. I suspect we'll see a resolution to this soon. Until then be forewarned if you do not have a State that will end up on the WY list.
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    So the WY AG is out of touch with the real world... nothing new in that, but as to the MSP site, it only give the gist of the law, and not limited to as I said the gun boards have Discretionary powers, (a hang over from the good ole boy days) and often refuse permits based upon any past offenses.
    In-fact one more case that I read about is a guy that was busted when he was only 17 for Marijuana, now at 37 he was fighting for his CCW that was refused based upon that one incident.
    Yeah it may not be on the Internet, but they do refuse on a regular basis, and had AG bothered to take the time to contact the Mi AG he would have know that.
    But I doubt the WY AG really gives a rats ass about it, more likely he is just another anti gun Democrat, that does not care that he signed a Reciprocity agreement with our state....
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    Sheldon, the WY AG is going by written law, not how a local Board applies (or doesn't apply) that law. If you think MI CCW's should be recognized, one of two things will have to happen. Either Wyoming's law will have to change from it's current "ever convicted" stance to a "within the last x-number of years" stance, or Michigan will have to make their WRITTEN law stricter to match the experience you cite. Several in this thread have suggested contacting the WY Reps to get the law re-written, but if you want Michigan law to match your experiences, feel free to contact your Reps, maybe you can adopt DC's laws instead.

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