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    Quote Originally Posted by ConstitutionComeHome View Post
    My first post to these boards and a very interesting place to start (especially considering my name)! I apologize up front for the extremely long post ... it is a bad habit of mine. :(

    I am a FIRM believer in protecting what the constitution and many of it's amendments give and/or protect. That should be obvious by my name, but thought I would point it out. I would also like to note that I signed up and created this name BEFORE finding this thread (I actually use the name on several sites).

    I do not have a license yet as I have to get my record expunged (I was a bad 19 year old) first ... but it is already in the works.

    Anyways, the point of this post is to make note of several observations I have made while reading this thread. There are numerous comments that I applauded and was very proud to feel the same way. Here we go:

    First off, just because you have a constitutional right to do something, does NOT mean that you have to exercise that right. Exercising a right is not always the same as defending that right. Simply put, just because you have the ability to exercise a right does not mean that you need to, or should, do so. The founding fathers were all about protecting liberties, but I'd go as far as say that they were men of practicality as well (read: good common sense). While the majority of sheeple out there do not even understand or know their rights, just because you DO know them does not mean that you MUST exercise them.

    A simple example: There have been several mentions of refusing to let a LEO search a vehicle. While that is your RIGHT, it is not always (or even the majority of the time) the right thing to do. Why? Let me explain ...

    I drive like a nut. I love going fast and I have a sticker on both my truck and car's windshields that reminds people what lane they should be in (a reversed sticker that when read through a rearview mirror states: SLOWER TRAFFIC ----->). Obviously, I get pulled over quite a bit. I have had LEO's ask me many, many times if they could search my vehicle and unless they were being very rude to me, I allow them. I have nothing to hide and if I refuse we will both have to wait for a good long while ... just for a K-9 unit to arrive so my car can be sniffed (to try and get probable cause).

    My car has been searched an entire ONE time. I was 21, had a stripper in the car with me, had just left a strip club, it was around 3 in the morning, I had been speeding, and I gave permission to search. Every time that I have allowed a search, they have not actually searched (minus the above exception) because I was acting in a responsible way, did not hesitate to acquiesce to a search, and laughed when they asked the silly question about drugs, prostitutes, bombs, and guns.

    Also, LEOs that are complete jerks do not always 'stick it to you'. I've had my vehicles sniffed by many a dog and the cops never 'pretended' that the dog acted in a peculiar way. Not a single time. Please remember that every time I told the cop no it was because he was already acting like an ass. Could it happen and they pretend the dog smells something? Sure. Have I received several tickets because I made the officer wary and made his job harder and more frustrating? Yes.

    The fact is, most LEOs that ask for permission to search your vehicle are looking for guilty behavior and gauging your response and demeanor when asking the question. By refusing, that makes them cautious and maybe even mildly suspicious ...

    Common sense dictates that at some times, exercising a right isn't the wisest idea. The same applies to showing your license even when not required. It doesn't 'strip away' a right when you CHOOSE not to exercise it. In that case, it is simply a common courtesy. The cop will 'usually' appreciate the gesture as well as the knowledge that you are carrying. Sure, you would have appreciated not being pulled over ... but chances are high that the cop is just doing his job enforcing a law. Sometimes you just get pulled over, but kindness and courtesy beget kindness and courtesy and sometimes it takes a bigger man to start the cycle rather than meeting cold and indifferent with the like.

    Think of it this way: if everyone who was pulled over refused to allow a search, the chances are high, due to the progressive anti-constitutional society that dominates our current political parties, that the laws would quickly change in regards to probable cause. Seriously think about that and don't discount it while pointing at any great documents (constitution, bill of rights, etc) as they have proven time and time again that they are only as valid as the politicians want them to be at any given moment. Hell, just look at the FED, the income tax, the laws on firearms, etc.

    If you disagree with a thing, the best forum to address it is where you can change it (politics, voting booth, etc.) and probably not where it can just cause you discomfort at best (sitting on side of road with a LEO) and changes or defends nothing.

    Don't misunderstand me, I fully understand discomforting yourself to uphold a principle, and if you guys feel that the cost is worth the gesture ... that is your right. I just personally think that making a token gesture is not worth the cost, especially when in the grand scheme of things it changes nothing. It doesn't protect your freedoms, it doesn't change anything, it costs you time and money, and it makes that officer's job harder when he is just like us and wants to get home to his family. The founding father's, I like to think, would have wanted us to use those rights with common sense and save that extra time, effort, and money towards getting our country back to the way it should be.

    Sorry if my first post seems overly aggressive or offensive, but this is a topic that I feel VERY strongly about. The great thing about having rights is that we get to use them when we feel like as they are just what they sound like: rights!

    Just my 2 cents,

    ConstitutionComeHome

    First of all, welcome to the forum. If you haven't done so already, I strongly recommend that you check out this video: Don’t Talk To The Police! Video by Professor James Duane : Constitutionals

    Though I'm all for cooperating with the police to the best of my ability, I won't do so if it's gonna mean that I have to give up my Civil Rights. I've worked too long and too hard to get to where I am today. Past experience has taught me that if my freedom is at stake, I should have an attorney present to ensure that I preserve my rights.

    Rock on as you wish, I strongly recommend that others seriously consider the consequences of taking your advice.


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    In general one should never talk to a law enforcement officer unless in the presence of an attorney. This rule of thumb applies to all types of law enforcement contact, be it with the BATFE, DEA, local police or the dog catcher.

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    I once got pulled over (expired tag) and it was a weird situation it was a senior officer training a rookie. While the senior was in the car running my tag the rookie was hanging out by my truck. I could almost see his brain going through his notes from school and he looks over at me and says "Sir do you have any ILLEGAL weapons in the vehicle" ....... I pause and look at him and say "NO" he processed my pause and says "Well then do you have ANY weapons in the vehicle"....... I pause again and say "LEGAL yes, illegal NO" and procede to tell him well I have a S&W .40 cal in the center console (pre CWP) a knife in the ashtray and another folder in my waistband. LOL He procedes to freak out and go for his gun...... I go into are you fukin crazy? I a gawdamn FIREMAN! I'm on your goddamn side! He starts with out of the car yadda yadda yadda....... Next thing I know there are supervisors showing up about 5 squad cars later they are all around me giving me ****.... Luckily for me I have a very disarming personality and proceded to calm things down.

    In the end everything was okay (I'm a law abiding citizens and was well within my rights) but one thing got my attention. The Seargant or Captain what ever he was asked me why do you carry one in the chamber? I said because it's little better than a hammer w/o one in the chamber. Then he says why do you carry hollow points? My reply was along the lines of to avoid overpenetration.

    No offense to ane LEO's but I hate the damn Barney Fife's of Law Enforcement.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    It depends on where you are. Some states require notification, some do not. That's the first determiner.

    I live in Kalifornia (notification not required). Gun's are not PC. Most cops I'm sure would be OK with a CCW but some will not be. I would never notify in Los Angeles. The Cops have an average time in the job of less than 5 years. The Chief hates citizens having guns. If I were in one of the counties known to be gun friendly I might notify but not to a young cop. I've heard too many stories on cops who want to take possession of the gun, unload it, and who have no familiarity with guns other than the one they carry.
    I lived in Kalifornika for many years. The ccw holder is required to present driver license and ccw permit to LEO or CHP that you are possesion of the gun.

    Arizona is not required to inform to the LEO or AHP, unless if they REQUESTED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRGlock23 View Post
    I lived in Kalifornika for many years. The ccw holder is required to present driver license and ccw permit to LEO or CHP that you are possession of the gun.
    According to handgunlaw.us - california, such is not the case. Can you point to a statute that says otherwise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRGlock23 View Post
    I lived in Kalifornika for many years. The ccw holder is required to present driver license and ccw permit to LEO or CHP that you are possesion of the gun.

    Arizona is not required to inform to the LEO or AHP, unless if they REQUESTED.
    I've never seen any thing that indicates I have to present my carry permit in Kalfornia and I've seen things that say I do not. I'll check again but I'm pretty sure there is no requirement to notify in Kalifornia.

    I just checked with handgunlaw website and they say no notification required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    I've never seen any thing that indicates I have to present my carry permit in Kalfornia and I've seen things that say I do not. I'll check again but I'm pretty sure there is no requirement to notify in Kalifornia.

    I just checked with handgunlaw website and they say no notification required.
    I believe it depends on what County you live in, and when you got (or renewed) your permit. I live in Kern County and was asked to sign a statement issued by the Sheriff's Dept that I would immediately notify any LEO that I was armed (if so). There is nothing on my permit that says I have to.

    By the way, California does NOT start with a K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Dude View Post
    I believe it depends on what County you live in, and when you got (or renewed) your permit. I live in Kern County and was asked to sign a statement issued by the Sheriff's Dept that I would immediately notify any LEO that I was armed (if so). There is nothing on my permit that says I have to.
    If my memory serves me, doesn't CA have state preemption laws that would supersede such a requirement?
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Dude View Post
    By the way, California does NOT start with a K.
    I have never realy understood the trend on the internet of deliberate mispelling of certain words such as, Kalifornia, Klinton Administration or Kristianity. My guess is that is has something to do with a similar writing device used by the Ku Klux Klan.

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    I think if I come back to this thread in about a year it will still be going on. Bottom line--do whatchya gotta do. I do not think anyone has changed anyone's mind on anything, but it is fun tryin. Personally, being stopped in a car because I did something wrong (in my 68 years I have been stopped 5 times and I was wrong in every one of them) does not rise to the need for an attorney--only a need to be civil and respectful of an LEO who does not know who the heck you are except for the fact that you committed a traffic violation. See you guys in about a year on this thread and do not expect to see any breakthroughs on this stalemate.

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