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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketgeezer View Post
    No LEO sensitive here, some are great guys, and very good cops, and believe it or not are really pretty good shots, but SOME are freaking morons, that think they got the power of god, and could not hit a barn wall if they were in the barn, how in the world they ever pass there qaulifying checks I do not know
    Good way of describing the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucenut View Post
    To me it's not about WHO is trying to rob me of my liberties. Nice guy or not I am not giving them up without a fight.
    Excellent position!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mark555 View Post
    Which is posted (improperly) both on the doors and the parking lot as a no CCW area. Since the state law lets us ignore the no gun signs on buildings that do not post correctly I too ignore the signs at the mall.

    do you understand the sign??? if the mall owner doesnt want to to ccw on their property why do you ignore it?? would you want someone on your property who had something you didnt want there??

    you ignore it because some people got other people with guns to make the mall owner comply with how others want to operate their own property??

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Rocketgeezer View Post
    No LEO sensitive here, some are great guys, and very good cops, and believe it or not are really pretty good shots, but SOME are freaking morons, that think they got the power of god, and could not hit a barn wall if they were in the barn, how in the world they ever pass there qaulifying checks I do not know

    huh?? morons who are bas shots???


    doesnt probable cause have to be probable??? bullet holes in a car?? probable cause of a shooting.

    alcohol on breath?? probable cause of drinking.


    anything else doesnt seem to me a probalble of anything.

  6. Probable cause [to search you and your vehicle] is as broad as the ocean and gray as rain clouds.............

    hopefully broad enough as a side of a barn so they can get reprobabled back up their leo asses.

    the response to probable abuse .

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    Knowing where (what state, at least) someone is from who's posting in this thread can make a tremendous difference. Some of the people here are posting from Liberal socialist states with gun laws that would make any Eastern European feel at home. Others are posting from states where most of the original 2nd Amendment is still in effect. There are states where the State Highway Patrol have a national reputation as jack-booted thugs and states where the Highway Patrol actually behaves as peace officers who respect the average citizen's rights and the citizen as well.

    Here in Missouri, with the exception of a few notorious St. Louis suburban villages, the police are generally supportive of citizen CCW. There is no requirement or reason to volunteer the information that one is exercising one's rights unless the officer specifically asks; then the law requires that one tell the officer that one has a CCW and/or is armed. Most often those cops who do ask are employed by localities with a reputation/record of police abuse of citizens in the form of speed traps, arbitrary confiscations of property, etc.

    Other states require that the officer be told one has a CCW as soon as he approaches the car. And still other states such as New Jersey or Massachusetts have police and attitudes that would do Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Union proud. As a former OTR trucker, I don't have the highest opinion of the State Patrol in Ohio, Tennessee, or Virginia, either. There, should I be unfortunate enough to actually visit those states, I'd probably inform up front and have the K-Y jelly handy for the subsquent TSA-like experience. (Well, not New Jersey or Massachusetts--my CCW would not be valid there so I simply cannot imagine ever even entering those states.)

    My point is that knowing one's location or at least one's home state is a helpful bit of information in evaluating the opinions expressed in this thread.

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    Good stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brolin1911a1 View Post
    Knowing where (what state, at least) someone is from who's posting in this thread can make a tremendous difference. Some of the people here are posting from Liberal socialist states with gun laws that would make any Eastern European feel at home. Others are posting from states where most of the original 2nd Amendment is still in effect. There are states where the State Highway Patrol have a national reputation as jack-booted thugs and states where the Highway Patrol actually behaves as peace officers who respect the average citizen's rights and the citizen as well.

    Here in Missouri, with the exception of a few notorious St. Louis suburban villages, the police are generally supportive of citizen CCW. There is no requirement or reason to volunteer the information that one is exercising one's rights unless the officer specifically asks; then the law requires that one tell the officer that one has a CCW and/or is armed. Most often those cops who do ask are employed by localities with a reputation/record of police abuse of citizens in the form of speed traps, arbitrary confiscations of property, etc.

    Other states require that the officer be told one has a CCW as soon as he approaches the car. And still other states such as New Jersey or Massachusetts have police and attitudes that would do Nazi Germany or the old Soviet Union proud. As a former OTR trucker, I don't have the highest opinion of the State Patrol in Ohio, Tennessee, or Virginia, either. There, should I be unfortunate enough to actually visit those states, I'd probably inform up front and have the K-Y jelly handy for the subsquent TSA-like experience. (Well, not New Jersey or Massachusetts--my CCW would not be valid there so I simply cannot imagine ever even entering those states.)

    My point is that knowing one's location or at least one's home state is a helpful bit of information in evaluating the opinions expressed in this thread.
    Your generalizations are right on and we all generalize. I would add "age" to the formula, not from a LEO qualification standpoint, but philosophical. After all, we're talking about LEO attitudes about CCW; a mix of life experience, politics and more. Those over fifty-five have seen astonishing social changes and trends, most terrible for the long term, since the sixties. The older this nation gets the more diluted the concept of freedom becomes and the less understood and appreciated the crux of that freedom, the Constitution. I'm shocked at the frivolous jabs some spew forth in the forums at those whom they perceive as "constitutionalists," as if that's bad. Younger LEOs undoubtedly are products of a weaker society and harbor an inferior understanding of freedom, generally speaking.
    I hope I didn't drift too much from topic in this thread. But brolin1911a1's point about LEO attitudes varying by geography is excellent and often overlooked - so is "age" too often overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sthomper View Post
    do you understand the sign??? if the mall owner doesnt want to to ccw on their property why do you ignore it?? would you want someone on your property who had something you didnt want there??

    you ignore it because some people got other people with guns to make the mall owner comply with how others want to operate their own property??
    Because in some states, if it isn't posted correctly, it has no force of law. And his carrying would still be following the law.

  11. #760
    Hello all.

    Yes, I inform either way. Its a personal decision.
    We have to inform if we are carrying, but dont have to if we're not...go figure.
    I guess we're supposed to leave the LEO guessing if we're just not carrying or if we're hiding something. Im more worried if I wasnt carried and the LEO having to wonder whats up.

    Not that I go anywhere without my Ruger anyway. ;)

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