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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    How absolutely obnoxious of me to have an opinion that is different than yours.

    Well, you are kind of absolutely obnoxious just not for that
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Well, you are kind of absolutely obnoxious just not for that
    Is it my gun? Good thing Ruger357SP101 is ignoring me!

    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucenut View Post
    Polite and reasonable citizens defend their rights! You go ahead and give up your weapon, consent to vehicle/cavity searches...

    Are you going to be polite when they come to confiscate your weapons? That is going to make them feel safer. That's your goal right?
    Such an exaggeration.

    Little hint...if we AGREE to a search, friend, its not giving up any rights.
    Its simply allowing a search that the officer can do anyone once he's determined 'just cause' because the person is acting like theyre hiding something.

    What *I* personally think is that some of you here have attitudes that shows when you're pulled over, so you give the LEO reason to believe youre either hiding something...or just a jerk...in which case you create your own problems.

    As Ive said..WHEN cops become the enemy THEN I"ll treat them as such.
    Till then I am on the SAME damned side they are and since I know that one way they catch felons is through traffic stops I'll work with them EVERY time.
    How the hell does a COP know that Im not being coerced by some felon hiding in my back seat with a gun to my back unless I allow a search?

    What *I* know is irrelevant. The LEO needs to know that everything is good.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Ruger357SP101 View Post
    Its simply allowing a search that the officer can do anyone once he's determined 'just cause' because the person is acting like their hiding something.
    However, refusal to give consent to a search is not 'just cause" for the officer to do anything.

    United States v. Fuentes:
    105 F3d 487 United States v. Fuentes | OpenJurist

    29 As for flight, we do not suggest that if a police officer says to a person in an airport, "Do you mind if I talk to you?" and the person says, "I don't want to talk to you--I want to go catch my plane," that the person can be stopped or arrested. His refusal by itself does not give rise to reasonable suspicion or probable cause. Mere refusal to consent to a stop or search does not give rise to reasonable suspicion or probable cause. People do not have to voluntarily give up their privacy or freedom of movement, on pain of justifying forcible deprivation of those same liberties if they refuse.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  6. #835
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    However, refusal to give consent to a search is not 'just cause" for the officer to do anything.

    United States v. Fuentes:
    105 F3d 487 United States v. Fuentes | OpenJurist
    Sure it is if youre acting like a complete ass.
    And frankly, if you were acting like one I think its funny to see those youtube videos where some mouthy jerk gets dragged from his car and tazed.

    You want to be treated with respect by a LEO?
    Then treat THEM with a little yourself.

    Dont be an ass then expect to not be treated like one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Good thing Ruger357SP101 is ignoring me!
    Everyone deserves another chance.
    Lets see how long yours lasts

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Ruger357SP101 View Post
    Sure it is if youre acting like a complete ass.
    And frankly, if you were acting like one I think its funny to see those youtube videos where some mouthy jerk gets dragged from his car and tazed.

    You want to be treated with respect by a LEO?
    Then treat THEM with a little yourself.

    Dont be an ass then expect to not be treated like one.
    Refusing to give consent to a search by itself is in no way acting like an ass.

    Officer: "Do you have any weapons in the vehicle?"
    Subject: "Yes, sir, I have a lawfully transported unloaded handgun locked in the trunk."
    Officer: "Mind if I see it?"
    Subject: "Yes, sir, I do mind. I do not consent to any searches of my vehicle."

    No being an ass about it....
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  9. #838
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Refusing to give consent to a search by itself is in no way acting like an ass.
    Depends.

    Ive seen a number of instances over the last couple years where what should have been a routine traffic stop turn very ugly because the driver had to be a smartass.

    The only time I ever was asked to search my car it was warranted because of the situation. The LEO's didnt know me from Adam and were very polite and professional in both asking and in their behavior before, during and after I allowed a search of my vehicle.

    Had I cussed at them like some morons do and started rambling about my rights, yeah..that would be acting like an ass ....and we ALL Know there are a LOT of people out there who act that way then whine like spanked little girls when they get roughed up and arrested.

    9 times out of 10....or more....these folks get exactly what they deserve.

  10. I will never consent to a search. For no other reason than I don't have to.

    You are free to surrender your rights as you please.

    After you surrender half your rights don't come cryin' to me when they crush the other half under their boot heels.

    Think it through: if he has to ask; then he doesn't have "probable cause." I'll bet a dollar that if he thinks he has "probable cause" he'll just Order me out of the car at gunpoint and start his search. I've seen it on "Cops" a billion times.

    No problem. I will comply. I was in the Army for three years and one day. I know how to do things I don't want to while rude obnoxious people wave pistols at me. Not a problem.

    I do believe in treating the lawperson with respect; and it's beyond my comprehension why they wouldn't treat me with respect and honor my wishes not to consent; which is my right.

    Of Course they ALWAYS say: "What are you trying to hide."

    I guess they learn that in cop school.

    The trick is to have a prepared answer that's a little embarrassing. Like: "I don't want you to see my beanie baby collection."

    Don't lie. Have some beanie babies (or whatever) in the Trunk in case he does search without your consent. He'll see
    You were honest all along.

    The trick is to be meek and humble and honest.

    If he's honest and law abiding himself it will put him at ease. If he's dishonest he'll do whatever he wants to anyway and there's nuthin' you can do about it.

  11. It seems that being Americans we all enjoy our Freedoms. That is a given until it comes to Law Enforcement. All of a sudden many get the attitudes of being a hard ass. Tough guy thats going to protect his Civil Rights. Did you ever give consideration to the thought of that is what the LEO is also doing. He is out there every day risking his life protecting yours. Why make it all that much harder to do his job? If you have nothing to hide why not just prove it and allow him and you to go on about your business alot quicker. We are all clammering about the amount of Illegal imigrants swarming our country. State by state the local Governments are now allowing officers to request full identification proof to begin weeding out the folks that don't need to be here. That has added more burden to the LEO's already busy job. I had a friend and his wife killed in a head on collision by a very drunk illegal imigrant that walked away with a few scratches and bruises but my friends are dead. This guy had been arrested 5 times for DUI, was shipped back to Mexico 4 times. The last time he will now spend the rest of his life in an American Prison for Vehicular Murder. 4 Times the LEO's did their job and arrested this individual and 4 times the courts failed us all by just sending him home so he could return in less than 5 days with a new name and do the same thing over. Just let the LEO's do their job without a bunch of hassle and your not surrendering any of your rights by allowing a search or by telling the LEO you are armed by offering up your CCW along with your license. Chances are he already knows you have one run if he ran your plates. JMHO

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