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  1. #21
    I'd say 1. look for new job. 2. So long as you carry responsibly, carry anyways. 3. If trouble arises, do everything in your power to avoid having to use the gun, if it means leaving your post to protect your life, do it. 4. ONLY resort to gun, if there is NO other option and only to save life.

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  3. #22
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    I kind of think like Red Hat. I don't think I would strap on my .40, it will both be likely spotted by your bosses and even faster by the perps who will see taking it from you as part of the game.

    I would get a nice little LCP or P-3at or and pocket carry it. It will be there if you need it and it will not be made if you don't.

    So if concealed is concealed, who cares what the bosses say just don't tell them or anyone else you are carrying. Should the time come that you actually need to use the weapon it may not be a .40 but it is a whole lot more firepower than nothing and you will at least be alive to get fired!

  4. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by devildave31 View Post
    I'd say 1. look for new job. 2. So long as you carry responsibly, carry anyways. 3. If trouble arises, do everything in your power to avoid having to use the gun, if it means leaving your post to protect your life, do it. 4. ONLY resort to gun, if there is NO other option and only to save life.
    Numbers 3 and 4 are good rules to follow no matter what. Your gun is a last resort.

    A prime example of when a gun should not be used.

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/gener...-customer.html
    Last edited by FN1910; 05-13-2009 at 06:43 PM. Reason: To add link of stupidity.

  5. #24

    Smile Thanks everyone this thread can end now situation resolved!

    Thanks everyone for the advice , my company has many other safer sites that are unarmed and until they decide to arm that site or until the client decides to go armed, I asked to be assigned to a new post and I hav been transfered to a new site, and am in the process of being trained by the company for an armed post should they need me there since I already have a GFL they said it will be easier to get certified by the State to carry on the Job. So thanks again everyone !!

  6. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger984 View Post
    Thanks everyone for the advice , my company has many other safer sites that are unarmed and until they decide to arm that site or until the client decides to go armed, I asked to be assigned to a new post and I hav been transfered to a new site, and am in the process of being trained by the company for an armed post should they need me there since I already have a GFL they said it will be easier to get certified by the State to carry on the Job. So thanks again everyone !!
    Good news, Ihope it works out for you. I do feel bad for your replacement.

  7. #26
    Not to sound too harsh...but are you freakin' kidding me? You're in a very dangerous position and you've already been threatened. You're putting your ass on the line for what? A measly paycheck? Forget about it. Either arm up and take the eventual consequences or find another job. You got a wife and kids? Think about it. Dude, you're basically in a Code Red situation with no means of protection.

    JJFlash

  8. #27

    I am one also!

    I am a security guard going on six months and I can tell you that one of the first things I learned is that they don,t care about your safety even though they tell you this in your post duties. They will tell you to don,t put yourself in danger but at the same time they say you cannot be armed on this particular site. I have been in certain scenarios that I could have been killed but do you think they care about that? All they care about is collecting their money from their clients. I was even put on one job that was suppose to be armed but I was not certified to carry with the company so I could not carry that night. About a hour into my shift the manager told me to watch this man as he was shop lifting. Before I could turn around the manager approached the shoplifter and took his jacket and pulled on it.Every thing dropped out and I was standing there watching not knowing if the man had a gun under his jacket or not. This was a very bad feeling I had that night not having anything to protect myself. Anyhow the man stopped and looked at me and ran. I tried to stop him but he got away. When I told this story to my supervisor he did not seem to be that concerned and told me that he would not put me back on that site. This is a wakeup call for me as I am currently seeking another job. The little bit of money that they are paying me is not worth it. I need the money also but some how my life is worth more!

  9. #28
    I have worked both armed and unarmed security in the past. I have always considered unarmed security a contridiction in terms. I once worked a country club part time 10 P.M. to 6 A.M. There were two security officers on duty and we took turns every two hours patroling all over the course on a golf cart. There were some very dark, remote areas out there. It was an unarmed assignment but you better believe I had a firearm concealed on me. Remember "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    As someone who once worked as a Manager in the Private Security business, let me say this. They do not care about you. You can't be trusted with a gun. You are a liablity to them when you have a gun. They would rather you die, than be sued by someone you shot. They have yuppie lawyers in this industry that are not only anti-gun, but don't have a clue about shootings in self defense. Further, they don't want to waste the money on you for training you with a firearm. Even if it cost only $100, as was the case in the company I worked for, it's still a waste to the bottom line.

    If your widow sues because you were not allowed to be armed, they will say the customer didn't want armed people, or that you knew that you were going to be unarmed anyway. They would rather fight a lawsuit by you or your family, than a lawsuit brought on by a perpetrator or his family. I'm telling you the absolute truth here. In a national company, the people who generally make decisions about you being armed are are sitting behind a big desk in New York, looking at the bottom line and figuring the liability risk. That's it. We used to get memos telling us to discourage customers from requesting an Armed Guard. If they demand it, we should charge them heavily for the service of being armed, to counter the cost of liability and continue to discourage the customer about guns. Any weapon to them is a liability and a threat to their profits. Even Pepper Spray and batons. Nothing more. One Manager I knew was so concerned about the liability to his bottom line interfering with his quarterly bonuses, he made his armed guards keep the gun unloaded and ammo in their pocket like Barney Fife. He said, if trouble started, they could load their revolver, but only with 5 rounds, not 6. They charge the customer $16 and hour, pay you $8 an hour, and use the rest to pay for your "used" uniforms, their own liability insurance coverage, Supervisors having to drive by and check on you, etc.

    I got out of this business because it is such a cut-throat industry. If your company gets a contract, someone from another company is already approaching that customer for doing it for a nickel per hour less. That is why there are so many minimum wage, sloppy, or Goofy Security Guards out there. There are some highly paid profesionals in Security with Law Enforcement experience and college degrees, but the contract guard service is generally a joke.
    So just to let you know, the risk is on you and you alone. My personal decision would be to have a concealed 38 Airweight or a good .380 in a pocket holster or something. But you will be fired and they will try to distance themselves from you legally if you have to shoot. Your call!!!
    There's Something Goin' On Here, and it Ain't Funny!!!

  11. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911 Headbanger View Post
    As someone who once worked as a Manager in the Private Security business, let me say this. They do not care about you. You can't be trusted with a gun. You are a liablity to them when you have a gun. They would rather you die, than be sued by someone you shot. They have yuppie lawyers in this industry that are not only anti-gun, but don't have a clue about shootings in self defense. Further, they don't want to waste the money on you for training you with a firearm. Even if it cost only $100, as was the case in the company I worked for, it's still a waste to the bottom line.

    If your widow sues because you were not allowed to be armed, they will say the customer didn't want armed people, or that you knew that you were going to be unarmed anyway. They would rather fight a lawsuit by you or your family, than a lawsuit brought on by a perpetrator or his family. I'm telling you the absolute truth here. In a national company, the people who generally make decisions about you being armed are are sitting behind a big desk in New York, looking at the bottom line and figuring the liability risk. That's it. We used to get memos telling us to discourage customers from requesting an Armed Guard. If they demand it, we should charge them heavily for the service of being armed, to counter the cost of liability and continue to discourage the customer about guns. Any weapon to them is a liability and a threat to their profits. Even Pepper Spray and batons. Nothing more. One Manager I knew was so concerned about the liability to his bottom line interfering with his quarterly bonuses, he made his armed guards keep the gun unloaded and ammo in their pocket like Barney Fife. He said, if trouble started, they could load their revolver, but only with 5 rounds, not 6. They charge the customer $16 and hour, pay you $8 an hour, and use the rest to pay for your "used" uniforms, their own liability insurance coverage, Supervisors having to drive by and check on you, etc.

    I got out of this business because it is such a cut-throat industry. If your company gets a contract, someone from another company is already approaching that customer for doing it for a nickel per hour less. That is why there are so many minimum wage, sloppy, or Goofy Security Guards out there. There are some highly paid profesionals in Security with Law Enforcement experience and college degrees, but the contract guard service is generally a joke.
    So just to let you know, the risk is on you and you alone. My personal decision would be to have a concealed 38 Airweight or a good .380 in a pocket holster or something. Nut you will be fired and they will try to distance themselves from you legally if you have to shoot. Your call!!!
    Sounds like excellent advice to me.
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