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    Multiple CC Standoff

    This happened today in Boise, ID

    Here are the links to two different news sources.

    Alleged theft turns into dangerous situation between four men, two handguns in Boise | News Updates | Idaho Statesman

    Boise Police de-escalated a petit theft that turned into a dangerous situation with four men and two handguns.

    Just after 1:15 p.m. Friday, Boise Police received a call of a man with a gun near Americana Boulevard and River Street. Multiple officers arrived on scene and found two men with handguns pointed at different people. Police de-escalated and sorted out the situation, according to a Friday release.

    Police said the original suspect, later identified as John Dickey, had allegedly stolen personal property from a victim at a nearby homeless shelter. The suspect fled on foot traveling east on River Street. As the victim chased on foot, a third man intervened the chase, produced a handgun and ordered the suspect to stop.

    The suspect was on the ground and held at gunpoint when another person, who also had a concealed weapons permit, saw the situation, intervened and demanded the other man drop his gun. Officers then arrived on scene, according to the release.

    Police said the original theft suspect is in custody. No other citations have been issued and information on the incident is forwarded to the Ada County Prosecutor’s Office for review.

    “We caution all citizens to think carefully before intervening in a potentially dangerous situation without knowing what is actually taking place. Although we are pleased that the theft suspect is in custody the situation could have easily turned into something much worse in this busy part of town,” said Boise Police Lt. Ron Winegar. “Our concern is always primarily for the safety of the citizens of Boise and the last thing we would want to see is someone seriously injured.”

    Two men brandish guns during citizen's arrest in Boise | KTVB.COM | Idaho News

    Stories are a little different, but you get the idea.

    Seems to me like neither should have pulled a gun, no life in danger, but it could have got ugly really fast! But on a side note, nice to know that this many people carry here, I don't see that many OC's, but there are enough that CC.
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    YEAH!!!!! Boise Idaho is a GREAT State

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    Unhappy Too true, Chudak.

    The one element missing here is the lack of mortal danger. I, for one, would never draw on someone running away, unless they were turning around taking shots at me as they fled.
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    Unless there is another part of a story we are missing, like the possibility of the alleged thief having a gun, the first guy had no reason to draw. Now the second guy might have rushed into this a little too fast, might have wanted to ask first as to what’s going on, not draw and then start asking. I have thought of how something like this can happen, having a CCL, but that is why the law allows it as a last resort, so when you draw, you need to be firing. I would hate to be either of the two guys with the gun in that situation, because one wrong move and it could have been over for at least one of them and possibly both if they were quick enough. I'm curious to see what the DA will do and if any charges would be pressed. In my opinion it would be nice to have laws that allow us to draw on someone to make a citizen’s arrest, but there aren’t and for reasons just like the one above, because no one knows who you are. But that would be a good way to catch criminals!

    It is good to know that this many people do carry, like someone said in one of the comments on the news link, if there ever was someone dumb enough to open fire in public here, they would not get far, because a good majority of people around have a CCW!
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    didn't see a reason to draw there... but good lesson to the bad guys.
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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    Neither the good samaritan or the 2nd guy should have drawn down on the suspect. Neither of their lives were in danger. They have no responsibility to the safety of other citizens, and I'm willing to bet if this was in another state, say...New Hampshire, or somewhere like that, they too would be in jail for improper display of a firearm at the very least.

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    Sounds like both men have the vigilante mentality. Very dangerous indeed!! Being able to lawfully carry a firearm does not give you police powers... Unless your life or the life of another person is peril, there is absolutely no reason to unholster your weapon... PERIOD! They are both lucky they were not shot! They may still yet face charges and could have their permits revoked.

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    Hey Glockster20: I am new to this forum but am very happy reading comments like yours that stay away from some of the Dirty Harry posters that inhabit a lot of the other forums. Thank you for your intelligent comments and replies to these threads. This original thread is about actions in Idaho and I think some of the western frontier mentality still exists in that part of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey Glockster20: I am new to this forum but am very happy reading comments like yours that stay away from some of the Dirty Harry posters that inhabit a lot of the other forums. Thank you for your intelligent comments and replies to these threads. This original thread is about actions in Idaho and I think some of the western frontier mentality still exists in that part of the world.
    Welcome to the site!

    Western Frontier mentality, lol just look at California, it's all been taken away?! I'm not defending the individuals actions in this story, but I think just as any law abiding citizen in this country, we all want to see justice and unfortunately the courts can only do so much once the individual is caught, but to even get to that point, someone has to catch the suspect. COPS can't be everywhere all the time, so some people take law into their hands, which is not right, unless your life is at stake. Here gun rights are very important and a lot of people exercise that right by carrying concealed or even openly. In a way I believe the police are well aware of this and that is why they don't come out shooting, but instead deescalated the situation. Had this happened elsewhere, chances are the cops would have laid both guys down in a hail of bullets!
    Once again, I don't think the two individuals should have acted the way they did, as a matter of fact they acted stupid and thoughtless in my opinion, but because we do exercise our right, there is probably more of us carrying then not here, so there is always going to be a chance that things like this will come up, it does not mean that we have that western frontier mentality and flash our weapons around at everyone we come across. I don’t mean to start anything with you, just had some things to point out, a different point of view if you will. Sorry for making this so long.
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    Neither guy should have drawn, chased or anything else besides watch and say "weird, don't see that all the time."
    Its up to the guy that got robbed to defend himself not everyone else. Want to defend the public at large? Get a badge.
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