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  1. #41
    hey i just said if u start **** when your carrying a gun dont expect to be able to use it as self defence. If i personally dont say or do anything and the guys comes to my window, and punches me. He better belive ill defend my self.

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    Hey doming83: Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post. I certainly agree that if you are CC you should realize that you, more than others, must think of yourself at a much higher sense of responsibility when it comes to any kind of confrontation.

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    OK, guys, what DO we do in a confrontation, presently non-lethal, while we're carrying? To use my previous example: someone insults my wife, say in a public setting, I'm going to want to sock 'em. But I'm carrying. What do I do? Hand the gun to my wife (she has a carry permit)? Excuse myself for a minute, go put my weapon in my truck and come back? I've tried to envision how this would work and I can't. My wife says, in this case, we walk away. I've got a problem with that. And I can envision other scenarios in which someone NEEDS to be "corrected", at which point things might escalate. But I'm carrying. And, of course, I can easily imagine scuffling with someone and losing control of the weapon. So, all you guys out there who aren't gonna walk away, what do YOU do?

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    Hey JJFlash: In your last post you ask "what are you gonna do" if say someone talks trash to your wife. the answer is really simple in my view--"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me". If you are in CC mode, I would think you have put yourself in an elevated and different category of responsibility and CANNOT or SHOULD NOT exacerbate the situation by dealing with the idiot at his level--you just can't do it. Think about yourself on a jury as someone else explains their situation either because they have been charged with some form of crime relating to CC use or in a civil trial. That person will tell you the juror that Drunken Joe Blow called his wife a fat pig and he got in his face and told him to take it back or else; Drunken Joe Blow then punched him so he took our his CCW and shot him. Other people in the place of business pretty much told the same story. In my book, the CCWP guy has got a problem. We are talking about trash talk and a guy is dead for heavens sake and if he had just walked away no one would have been hurt. Just my opinion but I really feel that if I have a CCW on me, I just have to be a very different guy than I normally are, which is probably a little too excitable for my own good. I will have to "stomach" a lot more verbal abuse and being cutoff in traffic without being able to" give um the finger"; it comes with the territory of CC.

  6. #45
    Kelcarry,

    You know I basically agree with you (and have posted to that effect). I have no problem not giving someone the finger in traffic (I stopped doing that when I started carrying full-time). So, yeah, a lot of situations that I would have reacted to in the past (like you, I can be a bit "excitable"), I don't any longer. And I certainly am not advocating shooting someone for insulting my wife.

    But some of our CC brethren have made good points, also, like if they would say something in a particular situation if they WEREN'T carrying, then they would still say it if they WERE carrying. And I can see the point: some idiot shoves a little old lady out of line, I'm gonna be hard-pressed not to say something. I obviously have no intention of shooting the fool, but there ya go...we're off and running.

    So...are we letting these type of situations go if we're carrying? Are we only to react to potentially lethal situations? Any thing less, we shut up? I guess so...

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    As law abiding "gun toters", we should hold ourselves to higher standards. I try to avoid putting myself in situations that would facilitate a confrontation. Obscene gestures, aggressive driving, bad neighborhoods, etc..etc. I avoid these. Plain ole common sense is quite useful. If you are the pugnacious type and walk around with a "chip" on your shoulder, then you probably shouldn't be carrying a firearm. Someone like that is begging for trouble.

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    Come on, guys, you're missing the point (or I'm not getting it across clearly). Granted, looking-for-trouble "pugnacious" types have no business carrying. I got no problem with that idea. Just so you know, I am a VERY non-confrontational guy; you'd like me as your friend or neighbor. But, there is "injustice" all around; do we speak our piece, do we stand up for the underdog, the little old lady? I would readily do this before I carried. Now, I don't? I can think of lots of situations like this. I'm NOT looking for a reason to pull my weapon but I'm saying that any time we speak up, escalation is possible. So..."Sorry that bully pushed you, Grandma, but I'm carrying, you see, so, you're on your own"? Man, I KNOW you'd say something and that's the crux of the matter. (Well, Ok, I don't know, but I'm betting you might). So, again, we NEVER say anything?

  9. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Glockster20 View Post
    As law abiding "gun toters", we should hold ourselves to higher standards. I try to avoid putting myself in situations that would facilitate a confrontation. Obscene gestures, aggressive driving, bad neighborhoods, etc..etc. I avoid these. Plain ole common sense is quite useful. If you are the pugnacious type and walk around with a "chip" on your shoulder, then you probably shouldn't be carrying a firearm. Someone like that is begging for trouble.
    While doing some more research on this shooter in the OP I think you have described him well with the "chip" on his shoulder. As for getting punched in the face and defending himself I am not buying that story quite yet. There is no evidence that the dead man did anything but walk up to his window. Only after the arrest did the story of throwing punches come out and only from the shooter. He had been know to start fights and just generally an agressive person.

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    Hey FN1910: I agree with you that all the facts in this case have never been fully discussed or verified. I think the real exercise here is to take these sketchy news articles and "what if" them. The posts in this thread tend to assume a fact in the case and then apply the posters opinion based on those assumptions. The posts that include facts that have not been shown to be accurate or are still unclear are still worthy when they include an opinion from a poster based on his assumptions. The posts become a "what if" exercise.

  11. #50
    Just a thought...Why can't you punch the guy and not draw your weapon...i'm just sayin'. If someone insults your wife that is.
    Last edited by titaniumman; 09-12-2009 at 10:59 AM. Reason: addition

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