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    So far there's nothing available in any medical history to LEO's during review of your CCP unless you've been adjudicated in a court of law. What's between you and your doctor is privileged. (SO FAR). If you feel a need to report a medical issue on your application, so be it. I would not otherwise disclose any personal medical history.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mappow View Post
    So far there's nothing available in any medical history to LEO's during review of your CCP unless you've been adjudicated in a court of law. What's between you and your doctor is privileged. (SO FAR). If you feel a need to report a medical issue on your application, so be it. I would not otherwise disclose any personal medical history.

    Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining! John Wayne
    The CCW application states by signing it, that you WAIVE all privilege, and give them permission to search ALL your medical records.

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    Sad but true..., I foresee a time not long from now whereby anyone who was ever prescribed medication for depression or anxiety will have his or her permit revoked. Change we can be believe in?

    Regards,
    Dan O.

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    Ya think maybe with this new Obamacare bill, with the Feds reviewing medical info we have an exposure.
    Surely they won't abuse their authority . . . surely . . . .

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    Ya think maybe with this new Obamacare bill, with the Feds reviewing medical info we have an exposure.
    Surely they won't abuse their authority . . . surely . . . .
    Don't worry, they'll put the ever so compassionate Janet Reno in charge.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    Sad but true..., I foresee a time not long from now whereby anyone who was ever prescribed medication for depression or anxiety will have his or her permit revoked. Change we can be believe in?

    Regards,
    Dan O.
    Again, it's pure pandering to medieval stigma, in order to sell the unpopular group up the river, for the benefit of the rest; here, the people who wanted to carry CW's, agreed that the "mentally ill" wouldn't be included under it-- using their OWN ARBITRARY DEFINITION of "mental illness" to include something OTHER than an actual proven THREAT-- just pure public bigotry and hysteria. It doesn't matter if you're already disabled-- now you're going to be DISARMED as well.

    The Michigan CW law is insane anyway; it's based on the claim that you MIGHT "get into" a fist-fight, and then pull a CW on the other person-- i.e. the notion that thugs have the right to be WARNED before assaulting you.They don't care about rights, just obedience; they'd rather see you beaten, than a thug shot-- it's not about rights with the state, it's about BOTTOM-LINE DEATH-TOLL.

    This law also dates back to 1937, when the government was still doing mandatory state-ordered sterilizations, frontal lobotomies, and shock-treatments on people considered "mentally ill" on absolutely ZERO objective evidence-- even without any incidence of a crime, or proof that they were a threat to themselves or others. Just pure mob-will, no different from anything else-- just like slavery, genocide, and any other pragmatic imposition of dictatorial claimed "necessity" or "greater good" etc.

    In short, HUMAN SACRIFICE on the altar of plebiscite.

    Now, this is being PRESERVED via the CCW laws.
    Ironically, Ben Franklin said that "Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on lunch; liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
    Only this law DISARMS the lambs-- but it doesn't matter, the mob has spoken.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Don't worry, they'll put the ever so compassionate Janet Reno in charge.
    We were always in an empire, since the Lincoln Administration; the fed was simply never so BRAZEN about it.
    But now, they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

    For example, the fed only has the Constitutional authority to raise revenue through taxes, under Article I-- NOT through TAKINGS, which are prohibited by Amendment V of the Bill of Rights.

    By forcing people to BUY health-insurance, the fed is TAKING property from individuals, in order to pay for a law-- since they couldn't get enough votes to pass a new TAX to fund it, as a Constitution REQUIRES.

    So basically, it's once again pure mob-rule: i.e. the mob didn't WANT to follow the Constitution-- so they didn't!

    The fed has never hidden its claim, that "questions of state sovereignty were 'settled' via the Civil War."

    In other words: the law was DICTATED by force of arms-- NOT by PROOF of what the law actually MEANT...which by definition, makes it a DICTATORSHIP.

    But it's a MOB-RULE dictatorship; so that makes it ok, since it's a "DEMOCRACY."

    And as Ben Franklin said, again: "democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch: LIBERTY is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

    So gun-control laws are, by definition, the destruction of liberty.

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    On the application for CCW permit here in MS there is no direct question as to your mental health. The only direct question has to do with past domestic violence charges. Other than that it is just your basic info and a waiver for them to pull records and documents, ie, medical records, criminal record and to talk to people who know you personally. So I guess they check such records the best they can and make a decision based on that.

    Mac

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradAnderson View Post
    However from what I understand, NYS also never ISSUES permits to anyone less than a rich and famous celebrity.
    Can someone help me with this one? In NYS, If you are denied a license to carry, Is there an appeal process? It would seem to me that if the issueing body wrongfully denies you then a district court should up hold the letter of the law. That's the way it is here in NH. They have 14 days to issue/deny. you have 30 days to appeal to the district court. they have to put your appeal ahead of anything on the docket. NO CHARGE! If there is an issue of mental health, you must be declaired mentally ill by a court decission. As for checking a box on the request form that would give a missleading answer, I did that. Absolutly unintended. There was something on an arrest record that was 42 years old. Not many of us remember all of what happened that long ago. Anyway, There is a statement on the form that says " These statements are true and accurate to the best of my memory and recolection" If thats not on your request form, I would sugjest you put it there. on that 14th day, after my denial, the chief said he would only use the "False Statement" If someone became irate about the denial. The chief worked with me to get this issue resolved. Now I'm licensed. I don't understand how an issueing body can get away with not following the letter of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradAnderson View Post
    Great, if you happen to live there.
    That's not the case in most other states, including mine; you just need to have EVER been diagnosed by ANY doctor. This is purely arbitrary and unconstitutional, but we live in a dictatorship, the question of whose power is considered to be "settled by the Civil War" rather than by actual law.
    Brad
    I guess I have to ask the question I always ask. Is there no appeal process in your state? We have 30 days to appeal
    After denial. the court must put your appeal ahead of all else on the docket. If your issueing body says no is that it?

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