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  1. I always carry round in chamber. I do not dry fire in house because you can get in habit of doing so and discharge your weapon with round in chamber. Also I always keep gun in same place. The worse feeling in world is if you come in to house and get distracted by phone call or something else and forget where you put gun.I carry a Glock so I feel as safe as with a revolver. I do not carry a 1911 often because in my job I carry in pocket holster or on belt in Fobus holster or in IWB with shirt tucked over.

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  3. #102
    I chambered a round from the get-go when I carried the Beretta. Now a Smith 629.

  4. Statistics on armed encounters reveal that time is almost always critical. Condition 1 for me always. Here is an easy and safe exersize that will really open your eyes. Stand at low ready, facing your target. Have a partner stand behind you with their hand on your shoulder. Have them start running away and you raise your gun and fire as quickly as you can when you feel their hand leave your shoulder. Have them note where they are when your gun goes off. Few can hit the target before they go 3 or 4 steps and most of us take more time than that. That is with the firearm at low ready, not holstered.
    Another point that should be made. All guns that I carry for protection use the same type of action. I used to use a chopped 1911 all the time. When I had a position where the Federal Gov. mandated (and furnished) a HK with a "double action" trigger that was what I trained with and used for thousands rounds. When I retired I gave them the HK back. Went out to the range with the 1911. Too many times (even after more than 500 rounds) I occasionally failed to disengage the safety. I am an old guy now and know about "old dogs and new tricks" but it was very disheartening to not be able to trust my performance with my 1911. Training and practice is more important than any other thing, including firearm selection. So for me HK double action primary, Ruger LCP for back up. Condition ONE.

  5. #104

    Carried with one in the chamber right after I'd been shooting a couple times

    but only openly and in my car where open carry is legal w/o a permit in Georgia (lived there at the time). I did carry in a holster w/ a thumb break and trigger guard coverage. As soon as I got my permit, I carried with a round chambered and concealed. A 1911 w/o a round in the chamber is a 40 ounce club which is okay as a club, but works much better as a gun.

    The 1911 is now a home defense gun for several reasons - it's heavy, it's hard for a 5'7" 160 lb guy to conceal w/o a jacket and my wife likes it better than my other guns. I tend to carry an HK P2000 which is much smaller and lighter.

    My advice is to use a holster and practice making sure your index finger is out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire even if that is a fraction of a second. I wouldn't worry about a thumb break on a holster holding a revolver, double action semi-auto, DA/SA auto or Glock/XD as long as the holster holds the gun when it's supposed to. Practice (carrying and drawing) a lot and you'll be more comfortable carrying w/ a round in the chamber.

  6. This has been kicked around since time immemorial. IMHO, Glocks are 'mediocre' safe, despite the mindset that say keep the finger off the trigger. There are lots of other opportunities to get yourself in trouble with a Glock. When a LEO draws from a 2 or 3X secure duty holster he is probably in a situation where a shot needs to be taken rapidly. I'm with the NO safety crowd on that one and one in the tube. However, although I fully agree that speed to first accurate shot is of the essence I have seen the damage that a stupid mistake can cause and unless you are a PRO (few are) I would either take the time to rack a round or I would use a firearm that offers a bit more safety, such as:
    (a) holstered revolver - cylinder doesn't turn and it can't go bang
    (b) Glock with NY1 trigger - that 8# pull makes a huge difference in safety over a 3 or 5 # pull. Try it. One in the tube sure.
    (c) HK Squeeze cocker (expensive) - totally safe. You'd have to be caught in a blender to have that thing go off on you despite the trigger pull.
    (d) Sig P239 .357, .40 or 9mm, first pull 8# second pull 3#
    There are other choices but these are mine at the moment and I am thinking that my preference is for the Glock or Sig option. Especially like the Sig option as the first pull is 8# and you need to be a moron to let one loose with an 8# pull, a good holster and a set of grey matter. Followed by 3# pulls for accuracy and recovery. Love it. Glocks a close second but all 8# pulls.

    But, each to his own. Whatever you are comfy with is what it boils down to. Keep in mind I have seen the damage, both online and in real life that a fraction of a second of stupidity or carelessness offers and it is not pretty.

  7. #106
    Lots of mixed opinions here but I have to agree with the "when you feel comfortable" way of thinking. I personally haven't received my ccw yet, taking the class next month, but while on my own property, I carry for practice, with a round in the chamber. My level of comfort on this comes from the particular gun I have, which is double action, every shot. I feel very safe with this, knowing that the firing pin has to be pulled back and released every shot, not sitting in a potential firing position, to be released by the trigger. In an urgent situation, not having a round already in the chamber will definitely be a disadvantage but so is your personal uneasiness about the status of your weapon. I would advise you to keep "playing" with your gun, get as familiar with it as you can until you feel that it is an extension of your body. Know it like any other tool or object that you use daily. Be confident with it and what it is capable of. Wear it chambered around your house, when you're alone at first if you need to. Only then will you feel comfortable knowing you have a fully loaded weapon on your person. Hope this helps.

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    how long

    [quote=torontogunguy;89484]
    Quote Originally Posted by rmarcustrucker View Post

    Biggest safety rule I use is my gun is ALWAYS in a holster. When I arm or unarmed my carry system allows me to put on holster with gun every morning. Once holstered I do a safety check (most days) and then reload and re holster. When I come home I secure it and it's my back up to the long guns.

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    Depends on what I am carrying. I have a problem with carrying my baby Glock with one in the chamber until I put a heavier trigger pull on it. Just too easy for an AD to happen. On the other hand, I will carry a 1911 with one in the chamber as they generally have both a thumb safety and a grip safety and I have a level of comfort that works for me. I have just purchased a Sig - DAO - and will carry with one in the chamber as the initial trigger pull is about eleven pounds. No thumb nor grip safety. It's a matter of what you are comfy with. And the speed to your first accurate shot is indeed important but so is not blowing your hand off or putting a round through an artery by accident. Be comfy. Use a top quality holster. Make sure your gun is in good repair. Funny, never had a problem with loading up a revolver in all chambers - it was my baby Glocks that got me going.

    I must comment on the comment above about using the handgun as a backup to a long gun. If it is being used for home defense this is a HUGE boo-boo. Keep in mind there are several DISadvantages to using a long gun in defending your family. First and foremost is that the round is going to enter the perp and exit the perp and will very likely go through the wall behind the perp and perhaps even the next wall as well. I have seen it happen in these parts and a fellow was killed last year like that. Secondly, having taken some home defense training I would not attempt to clear my home with a long gun... too difficult and too chancy. Much easier to "slice the pie" in clearing your home rooms with a handgun of sufficient caliber.

    Having said that, a good old shotgun, properly and safely secured, when racked, will often scare the crap out of a burglar. In my case, we have had two home invasions in my lifetime and in both cases there is no way that even pointing the shotgun at the nose of the perps would have stopped them they were so high. In our last event they were still trying to pry their way into our FRONT door when taken down at gunpoint by twenty LEO's arriving with lights and sirens and with our home alarm system howling and all of the lights in the house main floor and outside lit up like daylight. And we had our front doors replaced last year and they are half glass, to boot!

    For my part, I want a round that will do the job, I want the presence of mind to take the right shots and I want the ability to get that first accurate shot off without fumbling to cock my weapon. Carrying concealed is a different situation for me and I work with it accordingly. Not an easy decision - many variables. YOU need to be comfortable and safe. I am playing with the HK P7M8 and the Sig P229 at the moment; no problem with one in the tube in the P7's as they are squeeze cockers. Think the Sig's trigger is safe enough to allow me to be comfy carrying with one in the tube as well. Remember, you gotta invest in a top quality holster too if you are going to do that. Tuck your shirt in and have someone pull it out for you and get it caught on the trigger and you figure out the rest. At least an 8 or 10 pound pull gives you some chance to recover before bang. I dunno. I can keep my finger off the trigger with the best of them but I still worry. Both ways.
    i cc condition 1, i also have a m-4 at home but it has a mag loaded with D.R.T. frangable rounds, empty chamber, the frangable wont go through walls and penatrate with a small hole about 2in. and disperce 100% energy ina wound channel the size of a soccer ball. the military has used these rounds in iraq and afganistan about 8yrs.now.

  9. Situation:
    Someone walks up beside your vehicle in order to carjack you or rob you or simply is whacko and wants to end your life that day (as has happened to me... and I am living on about my ninth life right now).

    You have moved your holster around for appendix carry (I am thinking it is easier to leave my IWB holster whence it was placed on my belt, etc. and simply plunk a paddle holster at my appendix).

    NOW you have a problem. How are you going to draw and shoot? You can't = you have to rack a round first which means it is going to take time and it is going to be obvious.

    Nope. I was a true believer in NOT carrying one in the chamber for years until I finally educated myself to the point that I realized that the difference between life and death just might come down to the racking of that round into the chamber. I have never carried otherwise since.

    And like I say... a revolver (say, a snubbie) in a tight holster is NOT going to AD/ND while being carried even if something manages to get a grip on the trigger... if the cylinder won't turn in that holster it simply will not go off.

    On my semiauto's it is a different situation and I have taken to using a semi/semis that have an 8# pull, at least for the first shot. So I am going to carry a semi that has either that kind of trigger and a great holster, or better yet, a semi that has a grip safety and thumb safety, neither of which are going to make a difference in the time it takes me to draw and get off a first accurate shot with one hand.

    Having said all of this, I can appreciate where those that do not want to carry with one in the chamber are coming from as I did exactly that for the first few years until I realized the disadvantage it was placing my at.

    A well practiced shooter with one in the chamber and no added crap can draw, aim and get off a pretty accurate shot in under one second. The same shooter, faced with having to rack the slide, adds only one half of one second to their draw and shot.

    The question is, given that both shooters may be well practiced and qualified, which one would you rather be? Your life may depend on your decision so think hard.

    Again, I wish that the HK P7M8 squeeze cocker was not so darned expensive and so heavy. It is reliable and dead accurate. Above all it is probably the safest gun that I own and I have no trouble carrying it in my pocket with my hand on the grip when necessary. I'd rather have a smoking hole in my nice jacket than in me.

    Each to his own I suppose - just get all the facts and data before making that final decision.

    And as far as using long guns for home defense. NOT for me. If I have to explain the reasons you have missed that portion of the class. My mind wanders thinking about a small shotgun though... we have some pretty short ones - and loaded with the right load they are lethal. Loaded with birdshot and you are going to scare the bad guy and find the shot most likely in his jacket lining. And even at that I think that I would rather have the shorter handgun with a weapon light or seperate high intensity flashlight and perhaps a .40, .357 or .45 +P load (especially in the winter). They've done tests that show 9mm doing the same damage in ballistic gel as a .45 but they forgot to put the ballistic gel into a nice leather winter coat. Then the difference is quite something and it's a fast .357 that I think I would like to be playing with. Ammo is a whole nuther story my friends. In the meantime, I am a fan of my glock 30 with Gold Dots +P but I have heavy hands and can get away three shots in rapid succession with good accuracy. Again - one needs to research the topic and then take the ammo to the range with the gun one plans on using.

    BTW, we have four AR's and I would not dream of home defense on the inside with any of them. Now, in a Katrina situation? Big difference. You want the range and the power.

  10. This is what happens if you don't train a LOT with a non-chambered pistol.

    GRAPHIC
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

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    How fast can you load under stress? Without one in the chamber you only have a paper wait
    "You can get a lot accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

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