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  1. #31
    I don't view moving as a sign of weakness but as a tactical maneuver. By moving I'm assessing a threat and I am taking control of the situation. His next move gives me a lot more info than I had a moment ago.

    Different strokes.

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  3. +1 on not judging a book by its cover. Personally, I have two very large tattoos, not prison tattoos, but they were done by a member of an outlawed motorcycle gang here in Australia. Granted they are not visible under a t-shirt, but soon I will have both arms covered right down to the wrist, as well as my shoulders and chest. I am a pretty friendly guy, with poor navigational skills in the city, and I often find myself asking for directions :)

    If it were me (and this has happened often times, obviously I don't carry here though) if I see someone dodgey coming towards me, I engage them first with a slight upward tip of the head, and a quick "Alright mate?".

    This works in three scenarios:

    1: If they are looking to engage you in an un-friendly manner, it puts them on the back foot, as there is still distance between you and the interaction has already started.

    2: If they just want directions they can go ahead and ask, as you have offered help already, and can feel good about helping someone out.

    3: If they were just a bit of a space cadet and not really paying attention to where they were going, usually you'll get a brief "Yeah fine mate" back as they go along their way. Or they ignore you completely and keep on truckin'.

    Take it or leave it, that's just how I deal with approaching ruffian looking people :)

    -AE

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    Thank you for all the response. A real learning experience. As of yesterday seven murders here in Minneapolis since the new year. Four here on the northside. We have a uber liberal mayor and city council. Only one gun store in the city. The mayor wants him closed down. Cleaning up downtown, and the northside, might offend members of minority communities, so no action is taken. We had a city bus strike a few years ago. Downtown was a nice place to go for a week.

    A friend of ours was out for a dog walk one afternoon. Some wise ass let a pitbull out. The pit attacked our friends dog. He put three rounds from his glock 27 into the little monster. The police arrive, and arrest him.
    They released him after six hours. Channel five called him "gunman". Had to jump though hoops to get his glock back. The dog owner sued him in small claims for loss of the pit. This was dismissed also.

    I am not aware of any defensive gun uses here. I know they must happen. Is their a clearing house online that collects and displays these incidents?

    It is clear to me, if you display a firearm in this city, you are going to be hassled by the police.

    I was thinking of getting pepper spray, and or a steel baton in addition to my revolver. Will this invoke the "continuum of force"?

    The idea of a doberman I like, but the spouse is not to crazy about.

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    Hey Guys: Just read some of these posts. Some of the comments include your alarm lights are going off, and carry a tactical flashlight and maybe a knife. If this is where y'all are coming from, I would humbly suggest that the iceman stay in his house at night and only venture out in crowded areas during daylight. My point, now that I have been a bit sarcastic (and deserve rebuke), is that you cannot spend your life fixated on this "horrible what if". As some have said, the guy could be looking for the library--he could even be an undercover LEO just doing his job. Unless you are really "living in hell" the chances are that this guy is nothing more and nothing less than you are and HE actually may be the one to cross the street to avoid you--the perp--as you reach into your pocket and make it obvious that you have a firearm. Just sayin. Lay it on boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey Guys: Just read some of these posts. Some of the comments include your alarm lights are going off, and carry a tactical flashlight and maybe a knife. If this is where y'all are coming from, I would humbly suggest that the iceman stay in his house at night and only venture out in crowded areas during daylight. My point, now that I have been a bit sarcastic (and deserve rebuke), is that you cannot spend your life fixated on this "horrible what if". As some have said, the guy could be looking for the library--he could even be an undercover LEO just doing his job. Unless you are really "living in hell" the chances are that this guy is nothing more and nothing less than you are and HE actually may be the one to cross the street to avoid you--the perp--as you reach into your pocket and make it obvious that you have a firearm. Just sayin. Lay it on boys.
    Go out at night? In the hood? Are you nuts? I walk the little mutt in the morning. Our home is secure. The morons are usually sleeping. Except for an occasional druggie. Not fixtated on horrible what if here. Just looking for ideas and suggestions.

  7. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    .... Some of the comments include your alarm lights are going off ... you cannot spend your life fixated on this "horrible what if"....
    The entire thread is based on a "what-if". ~Here is the scenario, here are some details, what would you do?~ Some people use the phrase "alarm lights (or bells) going off, red flag" etc. to describe the sense that something might not be quite right. That's called situational awareness, a term we are all familiar with. And look at some of the suggestions... cross the street or initiate conversation from afar, hoping to elicit a reaction from the other party, to get a better read of his intentions, if any. What's wrong with that?
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  8. #37
    Not really important but just a comment on the "look" of this guy. As presented, he looks like a thug: hoodie, tats, etc. Some have suggested that we shouldn't judge the guy because, well, they have tats, also, and they're really good guys, and gee, maybe this guy just wants directions to the library.

    Well, I DO make initial judgements about a person from the "image" they are projecting. And then, I react (or not) accordingly.

    Here's the kicker, before you unload on me: I rode in an outlaw MC for years and yep, am tatted up. I'm also very big, and bald, with goatee and earring. Combine all that with "outlaw" colors. You think people weren't assuming the worst? Sure they were. I knew I was committing no crimes, I knew I'm a very friendly guy, but they didn't. And I didn't fault them for their perception. I made the choice, I lived with the consequences.

    Bottom line: I didn't expect them to think I was a dang librarian or something.

    FWIW.

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    honestly speaking, i dont think i look all too appealing either. with my sleeves and the ones i have coming up my neck im almost certain that people who dont know me will pass judgement. but i dont care.
    "You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore."

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    Keep my distance, flashlight, cellphone, knife, hand on pistol. All helpful suggestions. Except I am running out of hands. Remember, I have my worthless dog on a leash. Maybe a bag of dog doo.

    I disagree with putting hand on pistol. This is going to tip the bad guy off, or turn some wise ass into a bad guy. Now my firearm is the bad guys focus.

    Until I see the threat of deadly force my options are limited.

    I have a carry permit, and carry often.

    I have been thinking. Why do I need this firepower? For a mugger, pepper spray might do the job. What if he has a gun?

    What if, what if, what if.

    I am still scratching my head.
    That bag of dog doo could work in your favor. Like mace, right in the eyes...

    The move your path thing is the best way to get a read on the person. If they remain fixed on you and you get "that feeling" then maybe you should listen to that inner voice.
    As you made mention of the dog being worthless... Is he small enough to get off the ground and spinning if you swing the leash over your head?
    Use the dog and leash like a sling. OK OK I'm being silly to some extent here. The what if is a good one so don't assume I'm making fun of you. Stay with me.

    If it comes down to life and death and you feel like your life is at risk, let go of the leash and grab the gun.
    If he breaks off quickly and moves away, it's possible you were marked and made the correct change that thwarted a possible attack. I do the same when walking from a store to my truck when it's dark. I think "OK Keep the right hand open and free just in case". "Keep the bags in the left hand with the keys so that the remote is where I need it". It sounds paranoid, but hey it keeps you thinking and aware of your surroundings.

    The answer here is; There is no right and easy answer. Do what works best for you. Over analysis not needed. Listen to the hairs on the back of your neck they have a vested interest in your safety...

    Peace...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    "what if" is a boat we can all take a ride on.
    "You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore."

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