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    This poster has been banned for almost 6 months why are we digging up his old posts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    This poster has been banned for almost 6 months why are we digging up his old posts?
    It doesn't seem to be a very "tactical" thing to do.

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    LMAO ....Its mall cop!!!!!!

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    Necroposting... It happens here from time to time...

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    Can't say I miss the OP...
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    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

  6. Act alert and aware of your surroundings. While he is beyond reaching distance, make eye contact and say HELLO!! Let him know you are aware. Move further to one side and announce "the dog bites", like you are concerned for his safety, but what you are doing is putting distance between you and him. If he advances toward you then, he either wants dog bit or he's up to no good and then act according to the threat.

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    I'd say the reason it got dug out is it's a decent read and has some valid info. There is always someone new out to learn.

    That being said, I'll toss my two cents in:
    Do you have a voice? Use it and be honest.

    When potential BG first gives you the 'bad vibe', as others have said, move away first if space and timing allow you to do so. Keep moving the whole time if possible naturally (you don't want to be a standing target if they come out with a handgun of their own).

    If he moves with you or you don't have the space and time necessary to work with, put your weak hand up in a motion telling him to stop while saying the words "excuse me, STOP" loudly and clearly. The motion to stop is universal in all languages and even to the deaf.

    Pay attention, if saying "excuse me" seems to break their stride, you can change STOP for "can I help you" or "do you need something" while continuing to motion for them to stop. The motion to stop and taking control of the verbal part of the contact, any normal thinking person is going to cease approaching.

    But if that doesn't break their pace you continue motioning to stop with your weak hand as you turn your body with your weapon away from them as you draw it, keeping it behind you to prevent premature brandishing and stating "I have a gun, stop NOW" in an even louder and more commanding voice.

    If that doesn't cause them to halt their approach, it's time to bring your gun up from your side and pause before planting a few in their center mass. How long to pause depends totally on the timing of the scenario among other things. 1.5 seconds distance at whatever speed they're moving should allow at least a doubletap to the center mass (more if timing allows). They may hit you, but it will be on the way down if your shot placement is worth a flying hoot and you use any decent self defense round. If they pull a knife or gun this of course changes at once. Someone coming at you with a knife needs taken out at about a 6 or 8 second range to allow you time to move so they don't fall into you with the knife. A gun; they go down the instant it is visible, before ever pointing it. Hidden hands after being warned that you have a gun and they're still moving in at you, at this point you assume they're going for their gun and should be concerned about them shooting through their pocket and react accordingly...

    Naturally all of this relies on having enough time, but all of the above can happen as described in as little as 15 seconds, so you remove steps as needed to maintain your safety. You may not have time to do more than throw the weak hand up to hold them back while saying "STOP" and drawing one of your fastest draws ever and putting 4 or 5 shots in them while being tackled to the ground.

    Either way I think honesty in life and death situations is critical. Be honest and speak up quick to those around you especially when someone makes you uneasy by potentially violating your space and you'll have no victims, only dead bad guys.

    Quite a few states have passed castle doctrine/stand your ground laws (PA is the most recent in my mind) and anywhere you have a right to be you have a right to defend yourself. You don't need to move away, or flee in any way. You can simply stand your ground and prepare to defend yourself. If you are verbally telling someone to "stop" or you are going to defend yourself and their course of actions do not change, it is not brandishing to take that warning one step further and point your weapon at them.

    ALTHOUGH, whatever you do, do NOT fire a warning shot. A warning shot has a high probability of stopping even those that won't stop simply having something that appears to be a gun pointed at them, and then you're in trouble for discharging a weapon in a city or near a structure or any other number of charges. Only fire your weapon into the bad guy, only after being sure he is a bad guy, and only stop firing once he stops having the potential to be a bad guy anymore...

    This is a bad guy who ignored all the chances you attempted to give him, even thought you were bluffing or whatever in pointing your handgun at him and was still intent on whatever his planned actions were and you feared for your life to the point of firing your weapon. Now imagine he didn't think the gun was real until you fired a warning shot and it actually scares him enough to stop him for you to hold; once the police arrive he can claim you gave no warnings, simply pulled your handgun, fired a shot and illegally detained him. Really? You assumed he'd be honest about it? Best option in my mind is to ensure he's a bad guy and drop him dead so there is no conflicting stories... These types of predatory criminals are traditionally repeat offenders. Dropping them dead at the moment a need and opportunity arises prevents them from doing the same or worse than they had planned for you, to someone who is less prepared or less able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LPC1625 View Post
    I'd say the reason it got dug out is it's a decent read and has some valid info. There is always someone new out to learn.

    Pay attention, if saying "excuse me" seems to break their stride, you can change STOP for "can I help you" or "do you need something" while continuing to motion for them to stop. The motion to stop and taking control of the verbal part of the contact, any normal thinking person is going to cease approaching.

    But if that doesn't break their pace you continue motioning to stop with your weak hand as you turn your body with your weapon away from them as you draw it, keeping it behind you to prevent premature brandishing and stating "I have a gun, stop NOW" in an even louder and more commanding voice.
    Had to stop there. You must NEVER engage a person of concern in conversation. Asking "can I help you" invites a response. The response is a guise of treachery an may provide an opportunity to move closer. Distance is your friend. Also, you have not been threatened to the point of drawing a weapon. Consider a brandishing/menacing charge if the guy is simply frantic looking for his dog or any other issue which may alter his perceived behavior.

    Avoidance. Period. Cross the street. If he continues to folow then verbal warnings are in order... LOUD! Reserve the gun for when the threat is so significant that it's worth ruining your life over.
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    Is there something wrong with just talking to the person? I think if someone were making me uncomfortable, and I crossed the street or took other avoidance measures, I would then stop, look right at them and say "You are making me uncomfortable" then judge my reaction based on theirs. If I still felt threatened, I would simply call 911 and state where I was, that I there was a questionable character trailing me, and, depending on my gut feeling, let the dispatcher, and therefore the menacing guy, know that I was armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Had to stop there. You must NEVER engage a person of concern in conversation. Asking "can I help you" invites a response. The response is a guise of treachery an may provide an opportunity to move closer. Distance is your friend. Also, you have not been threatened to the point of drawing a weapon. Consider a brandishing/menacing charge if the guy is simply frantic looking for his dog or any other issue which may alter his perceived behavior.

    Avoidance. Period. Cross the street. If he continues to folow then verbal warnings are in order... LOUD! Reserve the gun for when the threat is so significant that it's worth ruining your life over.
    Parrot much?

    That is 100% exactly as I had stated, if given the time to move, do so.

    Taking control of the contact situation both verbally and through your physical movements as quickly as possible is a must if they are making you uncomfortable and the chance of an attack is steadily increasing. Sooner you take the actions needed to take control of the situation, the more distance there is between you and the potential BG, not to mention it puts them into a reactionary mode where they must react to you in a manner in which was unplanned for them. The manner in which they react most likely will provide you with the indicators of whether it is a life and death situation or not.

    Again, if you read what I said, "can I help you" only replaced "STOP" if the first words "excuse me" seemed to break the stride of their approach. You are still motioning them to stop and stay back. If they're not stopping when you motion them to stop approaching and say "excuse me" you finish the sentence with the word "STOP". If at that point they still haven't stopped, it is time to have your weapon in hand as you continue to assess the situation (not pointing it at them unless an attack is imminent and that's all the time you have).

    To be brandishing, you need to have your weapon visible to the party in question in some form of threatening manner. As I stated, you should turn your strong side away and remove your weapon from the holster and keep it concealed behind you while assessing the situation, this is not brandishing it is being prepared. Again, if you read what I stated, the gun comes out at the point of the first warnings not being acknowledged and the party in question is still bearing down on you in a threatening manner.

    Menacing is a threat of violence. You are not threatening violence, you are warning that you will defend yourself against any acts of violence. At this point of the contact, menacing is what they are doing by not yielding their approach.

    Of course you're from NY and that's a whole other world up there. Normal thinking doesn't apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by localgirl View Post
    Is there something wrong with just talking to the person? I think if someone were making me uncomfortable, and I crossed the street or took other avoidance measures, I would then stop, look right at them and say "You are making me uncomfortable" then judge my reaction based on theirs. If I still felt threatened, I would simply call 911 and state where I was, that I there was a questionable character trailing me, and, depending on my gut feeling, let the dispatcher, and therefore the menacing guy, know that I was armed.
    That's exactly what you should do. Honesty is the best policy. If I have a probelm with you, I'm going to say so; then the problem isn't mine anymore, it's your's. If you are encroaching into my space, I'm going to tell you about it and what remedies I'm willing to followup with. It is your decision how we proceed from that point.

    If someone is following you or approaching on you rapidly and avoidance isn't possible, the best thing you can do is throw their thought patterns off and put them into a reactionary mode and it is best to do so at the greatest distance possible. How they react is going to be your biggest indicator of how to conduct yourself.

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    In most locations it's not considered brandishing if you display your firearm in order to ward off a threat. You may want to check your local statutes.

    I would cross the street, if he continues to approach you ask him how you can help him. If there is no response you advise him to stop. If there is still no response you get ready to draw.

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