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  1. Exclamation Let's Get Real........

    I know there is a catchy little phrase going around that states "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" but how often is a defensive situation so clear cut that you can open fire with no fear of legal reprisal? Simply displaying a gun under the wrong conditions can cause you serious problems in most parts of the country. And when you make the life changing decision to pull that trigger, even under the BEST of conditions, you are putting your financial health, if not your freedom, at serious risk.
    I for one will not carry concealed until the laws are more in line with the "Good Samaritan doctrine" that shields a person from prosecution when trying to do the right thing. It isn't enough that we are willing to risk our lives in a potential shoot out. Instead of being rewarded for our efforts we could actually end up in more trouble than the thug we are trying to defend against in some situations and THAT is simply WRONG!
    As far as I'm concerned the CCW permit is the mark of a law-abiding citizen and nothing more.

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    How true. You could go to your grave not wanting to risk prosection.Or worse yet one of your kids,that you could have protected.I don't want to change a tire but I still have spares in all my cars.

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    Gray Court, SC
    A "Good Samaritan doctrine" would be nice but will never happen. The closes we will come is the "Castle Doctrine" and a lot of states have it as law now. I can't see a blanket forgiveness over all shootings just because someone thought they were in their right to shoot. All I see from this is chaos.
    but how often is a defensive situation so clear cut that you can open fire with no fear of legal reprisal?
    Quite often actually! There are quite a few example on this site. Some of which you would probably think that were not justified. One case in mind is where a man call the police and told them that two people were breaking into his neighbors house. He told 911 that they were taking things out of the house and he had his shotgun and he was going to shoot the burglars. 911 telling him not to you next hear two gunshots. Both Illegal aliens were killed and the Cops drove up as they fell. No charges were filed and under the Castle Doctrine it was justified. Also under the Doctrine like my state you can't be sued in Civil Court if the shooting was justified.

    Are the laws perfect, no they are not. Are they getting better, yes they are. I firmly believe that the 2A is starting to be understood by the majority as it was supposed be understood. Look at DC v Heller. In the past a court would have never made a ruling that you can't ban weapons because it violates our 2A rights. It's now heading to the SC.

    Bottom line, we are much better off than we were 10 years ago. Is it perfect, nope and never will. Is the statement, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" a good statement. I think so, however I won't ever brandish a weapon and if I ever have to pull it I will be pulling the trigger as soon as it's on target. I won't pull unless my life is in danger, or others, and feel the only way to stop the threat is to use deadly force. I won't pull and yell stop, I don't have to.

    Even though things are not perfect I will continue carrying my weapon. Chances are I will never need it but if I do then I'll take my chances with the law. Hence; "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

    Last edited by Red Hat; 01-27-2008 at 12:14 PM.
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    While I would do almost anything to keep from going to prison. I would do ever more to save my or my wife's life. I am allowed by TN law to carry a firearm. I am also protected by TN law by the castle doctrine. If someone is truly threatening my life, and the other option is death, I will do what I have to do.

    The only person available to protect you 24 hours a day is you.

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    as for me i carry everday any and everywhere i go. my ccw says that i can, the law says that i can. if i feel the need to use my weapon to protect someone then i will. i will not let someone get hurt or killed because i'm afraid of the legal system. if that is the case then why have a ccw permit? we have to train and understand the law as best as we can. we have to act to the best of our ability. i personally could not live with myself having watched someone get hurt or killed knowing i stood there and did nothing, could"ve but chose not to.
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    'What do you feel when you shoot a Terrorist?'

    The Marine shrugged and replied,

    'A slight recoil.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hat View Post
    Are the laws perfect, no they are not. Are they getting better, yes they are. I firmly believe that the 2A is starting to be understood by the majority as it was supposed be understood.
    Totally agree, and it's more than evidenced by the announcement you can find HERE, outlining the recognition by no less restrictive a State than New Jersey of the fact that your individual Rights under 2A are sacrosanct, and cannot be involuntarily forfeited. If New Jersey has moved enough to get on board with this concept, there actually may be hope for the remainder of the country.

    Uhhh... Temper this with the likleyhood that all of this may start changing dramatically after November!!
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  8. Everyone who has a CCL has to make a decision. If you are not prepared to make the decision that is fine it is not for everyone to be sure. I will go one futher than that. Everyone has a set of criteria to decide to use leathal force. I have been thinking about this due to another thread on this site. I will use leathal force to protect me and mine. I might do so in defence of a uniformed LEO. In most other likely scenarios I do not choose to do so mainly for the possible legal ramifications. I would be a good witness, call the police and do the things that are prudent to defend myself and my family. I think given todays legal environment to do otherwise is to risk your home and financial stability. There are thousands of lawyers out there eager represent the families of those who were shot in criminal actions. I don't think I want to be putting my family or myself in that situation.

    Some good advice I heard once is to remember there is a lawyer attached to every bullet.
    ["Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
    - Ben Franklin

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    I agree with the rest of you guys. If I wait for a perfect world with perfect laws to carry I will most likely be dead at the hands of a BG before that ever happens. The saying may be catchy but it is also correct. "I WOULD" rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6 and I sure would rather be tried than my family be dead.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Oct 2007
    Odessa FL

    My 'code to LIVE by' too...

    "It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts, it's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger--and I won't." JB Books

    If you aren't completely ready to react in the same manner if that time ever comes...best leave it at home in the drawer.


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    N. Central Indiana
    Indiana Code

    SECTION 1. IC 35-41-3-2 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2006]: Sec. 2. (a) A person is justified in using reasonable force against another person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:
    (1) is justified in using deadly force; only and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
    Only when our arms are sufficient, without doubt, can we be certain, without doubt, that they will never be employed....... John F. Kennedy
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