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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey lifeguard: Per your comments I absolutely agree with you when you raise the issue of children or other people in other parts of the house. It is just my wife and I and that kind of falls into the "single" category--under those circumstances you are obligated to defend them. As far as other comments you made--there are always the 'what ifs" that can clearly be defended as actions you should or should not take--I could even be outside my house watering the lawn and a band of slime come up to me and yada yada yada. I do not CC 24/7 and, being 68, have NEVER been in a situation that even remotely required any sort of defense of any kind. I purchased a firearm, I am CC qualified, and I choose to pick my fights as night situations either in my house or out and about. Quite frankly, I purchased my firearm(s) after coming to the conclusion that the piece of garbage in the whitehouse is a dictator wannabe and everything he does points to the dismantling of America and moving it to Germany 1930--I am Jewish and I WILL NOT BE A SHEEP like my fellow Jews were in Germany as they professed their German citizenship and were in total denial of what was going on. Once I owned my firearms I carefully thought about their use and "picked" the fights that I felt were within my "limitations". 24/7 "what ifs" are always there but I made my decisions and they are clearly not 24/7, but night-driven "what ifs". Just sayin.
    I hope I didn't come across rude this time, I wasn't trying to be. Knowing your limitations puts you way ahead of most people and I applaud you for that. I think I play out scenarios in my head. My job got me into that, so I think of primary responses, alternate, contingencies, ect.

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    Hey lifeguard: Pleasure exchanging replies with you. As I said before, I absolutely agree with your reply to me so no apology is necessary. I very rarely CC---in SC you cannot CC in a restaurant that sells alcohol drinks and you cannot CC in a house of worship w/o approval---if there are two scenarios that I truly would want to CC it is the night walk back to the parked car after a dinner at a restaurant or the night walk back to the parked car after attending a mens club dinner at the synagogue. Took the CC course more because I could and I did learn a lot from an experienced instructor who is an active deputy sheriff in SC. IMO, situational awareness daytime or nighttime is more important than being CC. Always the what if but if you can avoid a problem you do not need CC--works for me over the 68 years of my life---most lived in NY/NJ--not exactly the most peaceful area of the country. Peace brother lifeguard and hope we never have a reason.

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    It also comes down to knowing what the law is in the state where you reside. Some states have a requirement for you to attempt to retreat. There are other states that have castle doctrine/stand your ground laws. I happen to live in a Castle doctrine/ stand your ground state. There is also an assumption of risk statute where I live. That last part is VERY important. What it means is that the person engaged in the criminal activity assumes the risk of being killed for their actions. If you do defend someone else and the DA rules that you were justified in doing so you CANNOT be sued by the family of the dead perpetrator. All that being said you still have a very tough decision to make, do you help or not. In the end we all would have to live with ourselves and the consequences of the decision that we made.

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    Hey HK4U and gunsite: Last replies on when or if to get involved in someone else's business, particularly if you are CC was "right on". Here in SC we have the "alter ego" rule that allows you to "interfere" as if the acts of violence are being perpetrated on you and you believe them to be an imminent threat to your safety and well-being. Sounds really good on paper, as written by our legislators, but when it is not you, you have no idea what is going on in these other people's situation and, as your replies indicated, jumping in with your CCW can be devastatingly wrong. On the other hand, I find the attitude expressed by some forum members that if it is not them or their family, they will do nothing, to be a bit disturbing. There is a grey area in the middle of all this and anyone with an ounce of responsibility and intelligence will know "when" and know "how". It is like the remark out of the Supreme Court on pornography---"when you see it you will know if it is pornography". When you see an assault that is heading toward fatality or great bodily injury you will know what to do (even if it just a 911 call).Just sayin--lets hope we all are not the victim and we all never have to make these kind of decisions.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey lifeguard: Pleasure exchanging replies with you. As I said before, I absolutely agree with your reply to me so no apology is necessary. I very rarely CC---in SC you cannot CC in a restaurant that sells alcohol drinks and you cannot CC in a house of worship w/o approval---if there are two scenarios that I truly would want to CC it is the night walk back to the parked car after a dinner at a restaurant or the night walk back to the parked car after attending a mens club dinner at the synagogue. Took the CC course more because I could and I did learn a lot from an experienced instructor who is an active deputy sheriff in SC. IMO, situational awareness daytime or nighttime is more important than being CC. Always the what if but if you can avoid a problem you do not need CC--works for me over the 68 years of my life---most lived in NY/NJ--not exactly the most peaceful area of the country. Peace brother lifeguard and hope we never have a reason.
    Florida's CC laws are basically the same when we talk about where you can and can't carry. I do like your wisdom/theory behind when you carry. Have you ever read "The Art Of War"? Your statement about avoiding a problem reminded me of something I read from that book, "the great general is one who finds a way to win without fighting a single battle." Nothing wrong with that!

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    Great thread....
    "I got you in a Stranglehold, baby. And then I crushed your face" -Ted Nugent

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    I agree, protecting family comes first. I don't really care where I'm at, if someone endangers my daughters there's going to be a fight. I'll deal with the consequences later. If my family is in no immediate danger I would get them to a safe location. If I'm alone then it would depend on the situation. Is it likely someone will be killed or seriously injured? Is it a robbery where it looks like no one is going to get hurt? If I intervene will it help or worsen the situation? These are all things that need to be considered before involvement.

  9. I helped a "lady" one night because her husband was slapping her around.After I pulled her off my back I told him to take her home and get out of my club.

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    No good deed goes unpunished.

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    While I agree that one should use wisdom and caution when approaching a situation that may not involve them. Those who said they wouldn't try anything should feel ashamed. At least, that is my personal opinion. In Alabama we have the castle doctrine, and it is legal to defend someone else if the situation warrents it. It is really all a judgement call, and using common sense. Lots of "what ifs" out there, but I think that people should be willing to step in more than less. I am not saying pull your pistol on every rude smuck out there, we would be having fire fights all the time if that were the case. But if one sees a situation where one is being victimized, they should at least step in verbally. Then if threatened themself, act in accordance with the laws of God and of man.

    "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.
    Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act."
    —Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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