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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edsworld View Post
    Them places you should avoid are like that because people like us avoid them.

    The crimial elements should not be allowed to control any place.
    I wasn't aware that a CHP imputed any police authority to me and I am absolutely positive it imputes no responsibility to do the police's job to me
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    I wasn't aware that a CHP imputed any police authority to me and I am absolutely positive it imputes no responsibility to do the police's job to me
    For sure. Ed's point is well-taken, however, in the context of "Why should we cede our liberty, our freedom of movement, to the ne'er-do-wells"? I present this only in a philosphical sense, however, as I feel no compulsion to be personally "cleaning up" any bad inner-city neighborhoods, for example. Should I have to traverse such neighborhoods in order to conduct my business, I will do so, however (fortunately, I can avoid that, but, again, point well-taken).
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  4. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    I wasn't aware that a CHP imputed any police authority to me and I am absolutely positive it imputes no responsibility to do the police's job to me
    Yep. Every man for himself. Just stay in your safe place. The police are not here to protect you. They are here to make an arrest after the crime has been committed.

    If you can let criminals take a neighborhood, just think what a foreign army can take.
    Ed
    "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

  5. #114
    You do not have go around playing cop, but you should not avoid place because you are scared of being confronted. That is why these places are the way they are. If people would quit bowing down to these criminals, they would have no power.
    Ed
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  6. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    IMO, the old concept of an "honorable" fist fight being used to settle a difference between men is going and gone. One reason why I will allow no one to punch me.
    IMHO, their never was an "honorable" fist fight concept. If you can't settle a dispute with someone through negotiation, mediation, or litigation, how is hitting them with your fists, feet, elbows, et cetera going to settle it? Answer, it isn't, you are just behaving childish.

  7. First of course, it depends on where you live, what the laws are in your area. Where I live, I can use deadly force if "a reasonable person" would be in fear of bodily harm or death.
    utah code 76-2-402. Force in defense of person -- Forcible felony defined.
    (1) (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that force or a threat of force is necessary to defend the person or a third person against another person's imminent use of unlawful force.
    (b) A person is justified in using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury only if the person reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to the person or a third person as a result of another person's imminent use of unlawful force, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.


    That said, I agree with some that in the SPECIFIC scenario outlined by the OP, deadly force is probably not the right option... there is little chance of him beating you to death in a crowded restaurant.

    In other circumstances though, deadly force could be called for when "it starts with a punch" say you are on a dark lonely street, you know what what the attacker has planned after the first punch, and anyone with half a brain and a ccw wont wait to find out.

    A similar scenario just came to conclusion in florida a few days ago.... No charges filed.. Fla. jogger won't be charged for shooting teen - Yahoo! News

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    IMHO, their never was an "honorable" fist fight concept. If you can't settle a dispute with someone through negotiation, mediation, or litigation, how is hitting them with your fists, feet, elbows, et cetera going to settle it? Answer, it isn't, you are just behaving childish.
    Really? Growing up, I've seen many an "issue" settled by fisticuffs or the threat thereof.

    Negotiation and mediation? How the hell does that work in real life? We're not talking liberal college professors stalking across campus to the "mediation center", here. We're talking situations in which violence is gonna occur. So, how would you like it...guns, knives, clubs, or fists?
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  9. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Really? Growing up, I've seen many an "issue" settled by fisticuffs or the threat thereof.
    Perhaps you need to grow up some more.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Really? Growing up, I've seen many an "issue" settled by fisticuffs or the threat thereof.

    Negotiation and mediation? How the hell does that work in real life? We're not talking liberal college professors stalking across campus to the "mediation center", here. We're talking situations in which violence is gonna occur. So, how would you like it...guns, knives, clubs, or fists?
    Long time buddy!

    I gotta agree with the opposing on this. I've been called out many times for various stupid stuff usually when on duty. I've swallowed my pride and reasoned with someone or even just left.

    I do agree with you, if someone is intent on physically fighting with me i'd rather they come at me with bare knuckles than a weapon, which is what I think you were implying by "honorable". Maybe not exactly the honorable thing to do, but usually no one dies, and just sustains some bruises on their body and their ego.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

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    Are we still punching people on this thread? By now I think he is dead.

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