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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Are we still punching people on this thread? By now I think he is dead.
    Maybe they are waiting for Herb Dean to stop the fight.

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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    Long time buddy!

    I gotta agree with the opposing on this. I've been called out many times for various stupid stuff usually when on duty. I've swallowed my pride and reasoned with someone or even just left.

    I do agree with you, if someone is intent on physically fighting with me i'd rather they come at me with bare knuckles than a weapon, which is what I think you were implying by "honorable". Maybe not exactly the honorable thing to do, but usually no one dies, and just sustains some bruises on their body and their ego.
    Exactly what I'm talking about. An example: Many moons ago, when we were in our early 20s, my cousin and some friends were accosted in downtown Baltimore by some "locals" who, apparently, drew issue with their skin color. A skuffle ensued, wherein everyone left with, as you stated, some bruises to their bodies and ego. Not an unusual occurence and no real big deal.

    As the years passed, things changed. Now, it seems to me, the gangbangers and others would just as soon pull a piece and blow your ass away. No fuss, no muss.

    IMO, disputes are now being settled in very deadly fashion on a regular basis and thus, my "nostaglia" for when a good set of fisticuffs often left the antagonists shaking hands and moving on.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Perhaps you need to grow up some more.
    I'm guessing you grew up not knowing how to defend yourself in the schoolyard. Too bad. Probably bullied a lot, too, which would explain your attraction to "negotiation" and "mediation". If you're ever accosted by some violent BGs, you be sure to invite them to mediation. Let me know how it works out for ya.
    Prov. 27:3 - "Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than both"

  5. #124

    There yo have it

    Quote Originally Posted by dacaur View Post
    First of course, it depends on where you live, what the laws are in your area. Where I live, I can use deadly force if "a reasonable person" would be in fear of bodily harm or death.
    utah code 76-2-402. Force in defense of person -- Forcible felony defined.
    (1) (a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that force or a threat of force is necessary to defend the person or a third person against another person's imminent use of unlawful force.
    (b) A person is justified in using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury only if the person reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to the person or a third person as a result of another person's imminent use of unlawful force, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.


    That said, I agree with some that in the SPECIFIC scenario outlined by the OP, deadly force is probably not the right option... there is little chance of him beating you to death in a crowded restaurant.

    In other circumstances though, deadly force could be called for when "it starts with a punch" say you are on a dark lonely street, you know what what the attacker has planned after the first punch, and anyone with half a brain and a ccw wont wait to find out.

    A similar scenario just came to conclusion in florida a few days ago.... No charges filed.. Fla. jogger won't be charged for shooting teen - Yahoo! News
    Now we can use something to build a fondation once it completes its trial. May differ in states but at least you have grounds to stand on and references to back you up. nice post.

  6. #125
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  7. #126
    When I got tased and OC ( for military training purposes) with the X-26, if a cop said stop, freeze or whatever he says I wouldnt care if he was talking to me or not im stoping. Dont wont to be tased or OCed for any reason again. I should have taken my squad leader advice about being tased, since it was voluntary, and hes been tased before, for me not to do it.

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    I'm guessing you grew up not knowing how to defend yourself in the schoolyard.
    You are quite incorrect in your assesment.

    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Probably bullied a lot, too, which would explain your attraction to "negotiation" and "mediation".
    That statement doesn't even begin to make sence. Eric Harris and Dylan Kleebold didn't try to negotiate, they resorted to terrorism and then suicide. Phoebe Prince simply skipped the terrorism and simply committed suicide. People who have been subjected to bullying tend to be more violent and less "attracted to negotiation and mediation" to use your own words.

    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    If you're ever accosted by some violent BGs, you be sure to invite them to mediation. Let me know how it works out for ya.
    That statement doesn't make sence either. I imagine you are one of those big crybabies who would start threatening everyone if they didn't get their way all the time.

  9. #128
    Great example would be first CHL case in Texas when a man Gordon Reid Hale III, 42, of Grand Prairie was in bumber to bumber traffic and his vehicle accidentaly bumb the side of pick up delivery driver and the driver got upset got of his truck and went to the driver side of the mans car. Now the Truck driver was an ex boxer 230 + pounds, came up to his window ready to fight. well before the man had time to react (i.e roll his window up all the way) the man begin a furry of punches on him. Now the man who bumb his truck had on his seat belt, bumber to bumber traffic and was being choked and punched at the same time. So he reached over where he knew his .40 caliber handgun was that was concealed under a newspaper pulled out from underneath turned his head and shot off a round that struck Kenny Tavai, 33 in the chest and later died of his wound. Now Hail was brought to a hospital where his eyes were nearly hanging out of the socket if it werent for the swelling.
    Now do you have to go to that extreme effect to protect your life.
    You can find this story at articles.latimes.com/keyword/shootings-texas/recent
    He shot someone unarmed and was cleared of murder and he had a CHL

  10. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by TheAmericanGreed View Post
    Great example would be first CHL case in Texas when a man Gordon Reid Hale III, 42, of Grand Prairie was in bumber to bumber traffic and his vehicle accidentaly bumb the side of pick up delivery driver and the driver got upset got of his truck and went to the driver side of the mans car. Now the Truck driver was an ex boxer 230 + pounds, came up to his window ready to fight. well before the man had time to react (i.e roll his window up all the way) the man begin a furry of punches on him. Now the man who bumb his truck had on his seat belt, bumber to bumber traffic and was being choked and punched at the same time. So he reached over where he knew his .40 caliber handgun was that was concealed under a newspaper pulled out from underneath turned his head and shot off a round that struck Kenny Tavai, 33 in the chest and later died of his wound. Now Hail was brought to a hospital where his eyes were nearly hanging out of the socket if it werent for the swelling.
    Now do you have to go to that extreme effect to protect your life.
    You can find this story at articles.latimes.com/keyword/shootings-texas/recent
    He shot someone unarmed and was cleared of murder and he had a CHL
    Here is the actual article that I meant to post
    articles.latimes.com/1996-03-21/news/mn-49677_1_grand-jury

  11. #130
    Im not duking it out with anyone.
    Im informing him that the law requires me to walk away because I have a gun and if he pursues and tries to physically assault me the law gives me the option of shooting him dead.
    His choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by armyman_83 View Post
    I know there a tons of "What if's" but I have one thing that still lurks in my mind.

    We all know that there are situations which clearly warrent deadly physical force. Someone breaking into your home, someone trying to carjack you, someone trying to rob you, etc.

    What about the simple argument that turns into a punch?

    I am assuming that as the law abiding citizen we aren't going to be the ones to start any kind of a physical altercation. But assuming that someone else takes a small matter and turns it into a big one. What kind of force is allowed by law for someone who throws a punch at you?

    I live in Alabama and I belive that I would be well within my right to shoot a person who threw a punch at me. Maybe it seems unfair, why not just duke it out? But who is to say that by choosing to defend myself with only my hands won't lead to a worse situation, i.e. the perp obtaining my firearm? Or should you draw and order the person to the ground? (I am a firm believer in pulling your firearm only when you are going to use it.)

    Take this example:

    Your at dinner with you friends, wife, girlfriend, mistress () or whom ever. For some reason or another a man verbally insults you, or is extremely rude. You correct him politely, stating you want no trouble and wish to remain in peace. Being in a public place, (in Alabama) you have NO duty to retreat.

    The guy won't back down, he is determined to piss you off further, and cause a ruckus. You politely remind him that you are here merely to enjoy your meal. You don't instigate at all, but merely inform the person of your right to be there, maybe you throw in that you have the right to defend yourself should unlawful force be used against you. He doesn't buy your attempt to play the street lawyer and he finally has enough and throws a punch.

    Either way, being hit (assuming your not knocked out), or if you dodge. Would you be within your legal right to put two in his chest one in his head? You can't let him just beat you to a pulp, but you don't want to resort to pulling your firearm before things are clearly on your side of the law. In Alabama I believe that one would be in total accordance with the Code of Alabama to defend yourself using deadly physical force. It might not look too great, but I think you would have legal standing. Shooting an unarmed man seems lowly and bully like. But if he is the aggessor then his blood be upon his own head.

    There are lots of different options but some things are just unacceptable. Leaving a public place, where you have every legal right to be, because of some low life--unacceptable.

    Not every perp is a gun toting, ski mask clad monster in a dark ally in the middle of the night. Knowing when to shoot is part of knowing how to shoot. Thoughts?

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