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    Bottom line for me is that if you are deaf and you end up killing someone who you "thought" was a threat in some fashion because you are deaf, you have an awful lot of explaining to do both on legal and civil grounds. You cannot explain away a terrible mistake by telling me on a jury that it is because you could not hear. I just find it to be a bit ludicrous and explaining away not hearing what is going on around you and assuming you can make all the right decisions at anytime under any circumstances to be argumentative. Having said that, if the law says you can--have at it--I still will shake my head.

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    The guy that's blind is still waiting for an answer from Sled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    SECTION 23-31-215. Issuance of permits.
    (A) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, except subject to subsection (B) of this section, SLED must issue a permit, which is no larger than three and one-half inches by three inches in size, to carry a concealable weapon to a resident or qualified nonresident who is at least twenty-one years of age and who is not prohibited by state law from possessing the weapon upon submission of:

    (1) a completed application signed by the person;

    (2) one current full face color photograph of the person, not smaller than one inch by one inch nor larger than three inches by five inches;

    (3) proof of residence or if the person is a qualified nonresident, proof of ownership of real property in this State;

    (4) proof of actual or corrected vision rated at 20/40 within six months of the date of application or, in the case of a person licensed to operate a motor vehicle in this State, presentation of a valid driver's license;

    Taken from the scstatehouse.gov website. As you can see, no pun intended, a blind person cannot get a SC Concealed Carry Permit.
    What is required in SC to get a DL? http://www.scdmvonline.com/DMVNew/fo...troduction.pdf

    You must see well enough to drive.
    So can a person be legally blind and get a DL which would allow you to get a CWP? SC Eye exam form only spells it out for CDL.
    VISION REQUIREMENTS FOR A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE (PART 391.41)
    1. At least 20/40 or better each eye with or without corrective lens
    You can get a Fed waiver that takes it to 20/60 but restricted to daylight operations. So 20/40 is not the legal limit of vision to get a SC CWP. But even 20/60 fails to meet the legal definition of blindness which sets it at 20/200 in the best eye corrected. So it would be real hard for a blind person to get it in SC.

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    Everytime I have gone to renew my drivers licence they ask me to take a vision test, although I am not sure what the passing rating is.

  6. Deaf Yes. Blind No

  7. Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Bottom line for me is that if you are deaf and you end up killing someone who you "thought" was a threat in some fashion because you are deaf, you have an awful lot of explaining to do both on legal and civil grounds.
    Being deaf does not mean you're stupid or incapable of assessing a dangerous situation. We need more information before any judgment can be made about the scenario described by the OP.

    Speaking of... I only found two cases where deaf people used guns to shoot at people. Only in one case was someone killed. Neither was in Florida.

    In that case, the deaf person appears to have been intentionally targeting people.
    Link: 2/9/2010 - Profoundly Deaf Man Gets 1 Year, Probation In Murder Case - Breaking News - Chattanoogan.com

    As you can see, the deaf guy got an incredibly light sentence for voluntary manslaughter.

    Hopefully someone else can find the incident the OP is looking for.

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    I don't see a problem with a deaf person getting a CCW. Lets face it, if a bad guy was real quite, we would not hear them either. Being able to see IS paramount to being able to shoot safely. If you cannot identify your target by sight, then you are not really identifying the target, right? JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handgonnetoter View Post
    I don't see a problem with a deaf person getting a CCW. Lets face it, if a bad guy was real quite, we would not hear them either. Being able to see IS paramount to being able to shoot safely. If you cannot identify your target by sight, then you are not really identifying the target, right? JMHO.
    If his hearing is good, he won't have any problem locating me. Listen for the sound of feet running away from him!!

  10. A belated thanks to all who replied, even though no one had heard of the incident.

    I got a few more details, and a Google search yielded more info.

    For the record: the shooter was Ron Melnik, 39 yrs old, not a doddering old man, in fact an ex-football player for North Carolina State and into bodybuilding, martial arts, etc.. Apparently his hearing handicap did not prevent him from participating in team sports. I have not been able to determine if he had a CCW or not.

    The shooting occurred at a New Year's Eve party in Fort Lauderdale. There is a lot of highly charged controversy over how the shooting occurred, but any hearing disability does NOT appear to be a factor. The shooter and the dead man have been described as “best friends” , who shared similar interests in all sorts of physical fitness and sports, at least by some accounts. The family and friends of the alleged victim describe him as a saint, which is to be expected. They describe the shooter as Satan, which is also to be expected.

    By some accounts, the shooter murdered the victim by drawing a concealed weapon and shooting him several times, and while he lay wounded on the floor of his home, stood over him and fatally shot him again in front of his wife and children. That's what I mean by a Satanic characterization of the shooter. There are other indications that the shooting was outside, when the alleged victim either tried to convince the shooter not to drive, or continued an argument, and was punching the shooter while he was near his car. The shooter was said to have then gotten a pistol out of the glove compartment, and fired.

    I have found no information about the trial. We can only hope that the truth will come out in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    But I can find nothing in the SC CCW law that requires a person to be able to hear. So it sounds, again no pun intended, like a deaf person can get a CCW in SC.
    I should also note that if a mute person applied for a CCW in SC, then SLED wouldn't say that anything is out of line. Again no pun intended.

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