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  1. #31
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    Does your dog bite? No, my dog doesn't bite anyone. Grrrrrrrr, chomp................... I thought you said your dog doesn't bite? I did, that's not my dog
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  3. #32
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    Colorado Rocky Mountain High
    Way back about the crack of the dawn of time when I lived in Fla. I was out in the front yard working on a car when two JWs came walking up the street.

    I had 4 dogs ( two Pits and two mutts) running around the yard.

    The JWs stooped at the drive way and asked

    "Excuse me, do your dogs bite?"

    "Yup" ( they didn't)

    Could you put them up please? We'd like to give you a magazine."


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  4. Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    I love it USA Brother . God Bless ! ( I like big do gs gmyself ) ,110lb. Dobbie named after a brave man; General Mac Arthur ( Mackie Boy his nick name )

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Daven View Post
    At least, if you don't agree with me, please don't be mean and say nasty things. My dad taught me "if you have nothing nice to say, keep your mouth shut".

    My dog is very much part of my FAMILY. He is a 2 year old beagle/boxer mix. He is very loyal and my best friend.

    That being said, if I was out on a walk with my dog, and another dog, pit, doberman pincher, shepherd, whatever starts to attack me or my dog, I WILL shoot to protect us.

    By the way, this thread almost could give pit's a bad name. I know many pit's that are excellent dogs. They used to be called the nanny dogs because in the old days, families would get them to protect their babies. <not harping, just want to let others realize, pit's to chihuahua to beagles, if it has teeth, it can bite>. :)

    I should check our laws to see if I would be screwed if I do, if so, I will still shoot the attacking dog and hope for a jury full of animal lovers.
    Daven, I am sorry that person could not discuss that topic with respect . I have a Doberman and get dirty looks all the time ! He is like me we love all people and animals until you try to do us HARM ! God Bless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich of henderson,nv. View Post
    I love it USA Brother . God Bless ! ( I like big do gs gmyself ) ,110lb. Dobbie named after a brave man; General Mac Arthur ( Mackie Boy his nick name )
    I barrowed the picture from another USA Carry member, NavyLT, who will soon become NavyLCMD.

  7. This question has prompted some interesting discussion. However I would like to point out one distinction. The agressive agent in this scenario is a domestic animal and not a human being.

    Most of the deadly force statutes address deadly force against other people and not animals. Therefore they do not apply. As has been previously pointed out with the exception of a few states domestic animals are considered property.

    In most cases a dog acting agressively toward another dog or even a dog simply acting lethargic (might be rabid) could be dispatched. Now in some jurisdictions you may face charges for discharging a firearm in a public place but not assault and certainly not homicide. Additionally you would still be liable for any stray rounds or collateral damage to property.

    This scenario changes significantly if you come upon an attacker "kicking the snot" out of your dog. Obviously as has been pointed out we form strong emotional attachments to our dogs. However, If you were to employ deadly force against your dog's attacker without a clear threat to yourself or another human being you would be in the wrong and liable to be charged with manslaughter at the least or second degree murder at worst.

    It does not matter how you felt at the time the only thing that matters is if 12 people would agree that a reasonable person might have felt in "fear of death or greivous bodily harm". There are some of us who may feel that our dog's life may be worth prison time. I am not among them.

  8. #37
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    Jul 2009
    South Carolina/Charleston
    Hey Doc: If you want a jury to believe you, you had better have a mindset that very clearly, from minute one, made you believe and presume that you yourself were in imminent danger as your pet was being attacked. The attacking animal had clearly shown an aggressive attitude not only to your pet but to you, as well, and it was a clear presumption on your part that once the animal was "done" with your dog either by killing it or having you separate them, it was going to attack you. Just like with the two legged "dogs" running around, the key is "presumption of imminent death or great bodily injury" that will allow you to discharge your firearm in defense. Here in SC, case law has bent over backwards to protect the CCer when presumption is there.

  9. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Just like with the two legged "dogs" running around,
    How dare you make fun of sheepdogs!!!

  10. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Maybe it's me but, I don't understand the need for a gun in this situation. I have never met a dog yet that I couldn't kick silly.
    Some pit bulls can get pretty [email protected] big. I've seen pictures of pits that easily had to top 150 lbs. Some of the Michael Vick pits were supposed to be even bigger than that.

    Most large breeds (labs, even German shepherds) could probably be stopped with a good kick or two, but a large pit or rottweiller would be more than I would want to take on unarmed. One of them snarls at me, I draw my gun. He (or she) charges me, I shoot him.

    There are some strays that wander around my neighborhood but none of them seem very agressive so I don't usually pay them any attention unless my son is outside the house. As he gets older (he's 10 months so if he's outside it's because we are loading him into or out of the car) this will likely change, and could result in a reduction in the dog population of Oconee county, SC (though I hope not since I really don't want to shoot a dog if I don't have to).

    We did lose a cat to a stray dog (I think - couldn't really tell) but he was in a neighbor's yard so that would have been hard to justify killing the dog.

  11. #40
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    Jul 2009
    South Carolina/Charleston
    Per Treo's comment, In addition to some well placed kicks, I would also think that in the heat of a dog attack, especially if it turns on you, it may be difficult to accurately discharge a firearm. I would think that a serrated knife would probably serve you better.

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