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    No you don't have to put up with anything. You can always leave and become a grocery clerk or something like that where the lettuce won't talk back to you.

    as for anyone else that has a complaint about Police in general I spent some time as a Internal Affairs Det. Sergeant doing investigations on other Police Officers within our department and was more then happy to bring charges against any of the people that wore a badge within the department when any charges against them were proven with documentation. I was disliked by a lot of members of the department because I would work a case the same as any other criminal case. If they were wrong then I would do everything in my power to prove the case against them. On the other hand if they were not guilty or the so called evidence against them was proven false then I would charge the person that had signed the complaint with fileing a false Police report.

    Everyone that worked within Internal Affairs was a Notary Public and the complainant would have to swear to the charges that they were makeing out against the Officer in question and were informed that if the case was proven to be false then they would be charged. Many of the people changed their mind when informed of the proceedures for a complaint. A lot of people try and bring charges so that they think they have a bargaining chip against the Officer. Not so, that wont fly. The system ain't perfect but It work's.
    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtbill:216251
    No you don't have to put up with anything. You can always leave and become a grocery clerk or something like that where the lettuce won't talk back to you.

    as for anyone else that has a complaint about Police in general I spent some time as a Internal Affairs Det. Sergeant doing investigations on other Police Officers within our department and was more then happy to bring charges against any of the people that wore a badge within the department when any charges against them were proven with documentation. I was disliked by a lot of members of the department because I would work a case the same as any other criminal case. If they were wrong then I would do everything in my power to prove the case against them. On the other hand if they were not guilty or the so called evidence against them was proven false then I would charge the person that had signed the complaint with fileing a false Police report.

    Everyone that worked within Internal Affairs was a Notary Public and the complainant would have to swear to the charges that they were makeing out against the Officer in question and were informed that if the case was proven to be false then they would be charged. Many of the people changed their mind when informed of the proceedures for a complaint. A lot of people try and bring charges so that they think they have a bargaining chip against the Officer. Not so, that wont fly. The system ain't perfect but It work's.
    Bill
    My uncle works internal affairs for the police department he works for.

    I was a grocery clerk before a firefighter before a paramedic. That is how i know even that job deals with a dozen jerks a day. I get paid well to deal with police daily, lucky when I'm in uniform they ignore me. I still hear what they say and see what they do...and it is not professional 99% of the time.

    I live in the northwest, maybe it is my location...though Ohio looks worse off.

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    To put it simply, there are bad cops just like there are bad doctors, bad firefighters, bad judges, etc, etc. Only their constant interaction with the public, puts the spotlight on them...as it should. When their attitudes and morals handicap their ability to serve the public, they become bad cops, IMO. If they can't interact with their fellow citizens respectfully, they just enforce the stereotype of "cops are bad". There is nothing worse than a LEO with a god complex, and the people who back up their depravities. I can only imagine how they live with such things. But they do.
    I've know several cops that were sorry as they come. I went to school with a couple. The DPS wouldn't hire 'em due to attitude problems, but they caught on with some local departments. They were both shot to death within 3 years. The reason was obvious to everyone who knew them, just as it would look pretty obvious, knowing his past incidents, if this Canton LEO came up kia. They tend to provoke these situations.
    I was raised with and around LEOs all my life. My dad's best friends were DPS officers. There were always 2 or 3 at the house all the time. One became a Ranger. Nicer, more respectful men do not exist. One of them can handle a situation that it would take four of these banzai cops to handle. My cousin ran the drug task force in our county. Of course his situations were distinctly different.
    That being said, it's what a LEO has inside 'em that distinguishes good cop from bad. IMHO of course.

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    "That being said, it's what a LEO has inside 'em that distinguishes good cop from bad. IMHO of course." BeauRyker

    That pretty much explains the bad cop problem that exists in virtually every department. Some believe they are the law. Some believe they are truly to protect and serve lawfull society. There are both in virtually every department, unfortunately the second type is often in a minority, and some departments a small minority. The problem is when the blue lights flash in your rearview, you don't know which one is comming up behind you. Add to that some rookies that may be well intentioned and poorly trained, and good cops die and bad cops get worse.
    The fault is that the public who has for generations passed the responsability for law encorcement over to the "authorities" forgets that these public servants are to be held acountable to their employers for their actions. Untill we the people vote, atttend city council meetings, write letters of complaint, gather signatures, and demand accountability and constitutional authority and action, then bad cops and bad politicians will be around for a very long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain man View Post
    "That being said, it's what a LEO has inside 'em that distinguishes good cop from bad. IMHO of course." BeauRyker

    That pretty much explains the bad cop problem that exists in virtually every department. Some believe they are the law. Some believe they are truly to protect and serve lawfull society. There are both in virtually every department, unfortunately the second type is often in a minority, and some departments a small minority. The problem is when the blue lights flash in your rearview, you don't know which one is comming up behind you. Add to that some rookies that may be well intentioned and poorly trained, and good cops die and bad cops get worse.
    The fault is that the public who has for generations passed the responsability for law encorcement over to the "authorities" forgets that these public servants are to be held acountable to their employers for their actions. Untill we the people vote, atttend city council meetings, write letters of complaint, gather signatures, and demand accountability and constitutional authority and action, then bad cops and bad politicians will be around for a very long time
    Well said
    Bill

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    I would like to point out that those who think some of us like to bash cops go so far in the other direction that almost all of them could justly be called copsuckers......

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    A few bad apples don't spoil the bunch - blame the person, not the profession.
    "Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right." -- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, Re: U.S. vs Emerson (1999)

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    All of scoiety has a percentage of folks that are "bad", spent 25 years as a paramedic patching up good and bad, when six or eight guys good or bad jump a single individual, and beat him/her to death, different ball game, yes it can take six or eight to restrain an individual and I have been involved in this more than once, this guy was tazed more than once and then beaten to death, tazing to gain control fine, murder not.

  10. #29
    Its not stereotyping... its called profiling.

    And it is the bad apples that get me tensed up when I see a cop... any cop. Maybe they should police them selves and go kick the sh1t out of the ones who did this.

    Respect goes both ways. You must earm mine, a uniform will NOT make it automatic.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by sgtbill View Post
    No you don't have to put up with anything. You can always leave and become a grocery clerk or something like that where the lettuce won't talk back to you.

    as for anyone else that has a complaint about Police in general I spent some time as a Internal Affairs Det. Sergeant doing investigations on other Police Officers within our department and was more then happy to bring charges against any of the people that wore a badge within the department when any charges against them were proven with documentation. I was disliked by a lot of members of the department because I would work a case the same as any other criminal case. If they were wrong then I would do everything in my power to prove the case against them. On the other hand if they were not guilty or the so called evidence against them was proven false then I would charge the person that had signed the complaint with fileing a false Police report.

    Everyone that worked within Internal Affairs was a Notary Public and the complainant would have to swear to the charges that they were makeing out against the Officer in question and were informed that if the case was proven to be false then they would be charged. Many of the people changed their mind when informed of the proceedures for a complaint. A lot of people try and bring charges so that they think they have a bargaining chip against the Officer. Not so, that wont fly. The system ain't perfect but It work's.
    Bill
    I can tell you in Tulsa Oklahoma the Tulsa Police Dept. Internal Affairs do nothing it's the fox's checking up on the other fox's and the public gets zero from them for any complaint against a Tulsa Officer.

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