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  1. Type of Ammo = Premeditated if CC Fired

    I read an article several years ago about a citizen who had to use his carry pistol in a confrontation. He had to defend himself in court against a premeditation charge because his rounds were considered "too deadly." As I recollect, the rounds were a high velocity-high expand.

    I am wondering if this is a real issue or just academic.

    Any thoughts or anecdotes?

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    Please find that article, never heard of such thing happening.
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    Type of Ammo = Premeditated if CC Fired

    I think the rounds were reloads that he made. Any defense round of the shelf ( if you can find any) will be fine never use reloads for self defense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscarob View Post
    I read an article several years ago about a citizen who had to use his carry pistol in a confrontation. He had to defend himself in court against a premeditation charge because his rounds were considered "too deadly." As I recollect, the rounds were a high velocity-high expand.

    I am wondering if this is a real issue or just academic.

    Any thoughts or anecdotes?
    It was an issue in the defense of Harold Fish. 10mm pistol he used in self defense...shouldn't be an issue in a self defense case but the prosecuter made a big deal of it. There are many links on the case but this one has links to interviews, transcripts and court documents. You can google his name for info too of course.

    http://www.haroldfishdefense.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscarob View Post
    I read an article several years ago about a citizen who had to use his carry pistol in a confrontation. He had to defend himself in court against a premeditation charge because his rounds were considered "too deadly." As I recollect, the rounds were a high velocity-high expand.

    I am wondering if this is a real issue or just academic.

    Any thoughts or anecdotes?
    it's nonsense, any decent law would hammer any prosecutor who attempted to claim ammo was too deadly

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    Homeland security just bought a ton of hollow points, how deadly, all bullets are deadly!!!!!!!!!!

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    Article by Mas Ayoob regarding court cases where hand loads have been an issue....

    Cases Where Handloads Caused Problems in Court by Mas Ayoob
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    Thanks for the link! From the looks of those cases involving handloads, the persecutor...uh i mean prosecutor...was just a hater and trying to win a case against gun owners. What struck me is how the handload left no residue on the guy's wife. Poor dude, it wasn't enough that they charged him with murder but they went through with it after finding out it wasn't.

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    If self defense shooting is justified, (defensible, warranted, reasonable, necessary), using the best self defense ammunition is a viable defense. Todays mindset is different than it was a few years ago. Today most major ammunition manufacturers produce high end defense ammunition. A few years ago, all it took was for some ammuniton to reported as effective, and the Black Talon-cop killer mentality set in. Today nearly any quality self defense ammunition is acceptable for use. Only quality factory ammo should be used for self defense because it is reliable, safe, usually sealed at the primer and case mouth, and the ammunition can be verified. Most people don't use their self defense ammunition for practice on the range. Premium self defense ammo goes for about a dollar a round. I replace mine once a year, the only time I shoot my carry ammo. Ammunition will certainly last a lot longer than one year, but when ammunition is carries in a magazine on a daily basis, I want to know that my ammunition will be totally reliable.

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