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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Police officers have a higher credibility than the average citizen. They have too. If not every time someone got a ticket it would be their word vs the cops and the judge would have to throw it out.

    Without getting sucked into the debate over good cops vs bad cops, I think that they are handeling this situation correctly. Place the officers on leave and investigate. The same thing they always do.
    The problem with your statement above is that in this particular case, the cop didn't just give the elderly man 'a ticket'....The cop shot the old man dead while he was on his own property!! That is a HUGE difference from just getting a damn 'ticket'!

    The trigger happy cop must be held responsible.
    His 'crying apology' does not cut it and his supposed 'higher credibility' is not valid in this case imho.

    If that elderly man who was killed by these cops in his own garage was 'your' dad, I'm pretty damn sure that you would be singing a very different tune about these cops 'higher credibility'.
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    Police officials said Tuesday it wasn’t clear how two responding officers — identified by police as Richard A. Hoeppner and Benjamin B. Hanlon — ended up at Waller’s house. They encountered him with a pistol inside or near his garage. One or both officers opened fire, hitting Waller multiple times.
    Officials said the officers — both of whom graduated from the police academy last November — identified themselves to Waller, but felt threatened.
    "When I went out there, the place was totally dark," said Kathy Waller, thevictim's wife. "All I could see were flashlights.”
    She said her husband might have mistaken the officers for burglars, just as they apparently mistook him for a suspect.
    “They just came down my driveway, flashing lights, and he thought it was burglars going after his car,” Mrs. Waller said Tuesday night.
    The family released a statement Wednesday that said they were "deeply troubled by the police department misrepresenting details of the incident in their interviews with the media," and that Jerry Waller's body was found in his own garage.
    "We were disturbed by suggestions that police may have felt threatened by a man in his own garage faced with unknown trespassers wielding flashlights," the family's statement read. "We look forward to a full investigation of this terrible incident that will lead to meaningful steps to ensure that nothing like this will happen again."

    Fort Worth Mayor Betsy Price released this written statement on Wednesday evening:
    "No words can describe the pain the Waller family is going through, and I hope we all continue to pray for this family who’s lost a husband, father and grandfather. I'm also praying for the officers involved in this terrible tragedy. There are a lot of unanswered questions, but I know this incident will be thoroughly reviewed from every angle. I talked with Chief [Jeff] Halstead, and he assured me there would be a full and transparent investigation — that's what I expect, and that's what this family deserves."
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    Family of man fatally shot by Fort Worth police disputes details | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

    Added this from the story source. I can see how this happened now. This in no way excuses the cops but they should have been riding with more experienced officers.
    It is a sad story. Know your target because you own every bullet that goes down range. If that applies to us it should apply to them!


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    So it seems the officers were new and inexperienced. Boy are they getting a really LOUD wake-up call with this...

  5. ha, what makes you think that the guy who shoots at you first will MISS? If I shoot at you first, you will be most unlikely to be doing any shooting whatsoever, much less hitting. The old man was a fool, stumbling around out there, gun in hand. probably a longarm, can't be put out of sight when you see the cops. In most states, you have no right to go out to your car, armed, merely to stop a burglary of that car. The reason for those laws is stuff like this happens, and it's for no good reason. Big deal, either its a junk car or you've got it insured, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuppor View Post
    ha, what makes you think that the guy who shoots at you first will MISS? If I shoot at you first, you will be most unlikely to be doing any shooting whatsoever, much less hitting. The old man was a fool, stumbling around out there, gun in hand. probably a longarm, can't be put out of sight when you see the cops. In most states, you have no right to go out to your car, armed, merely to stop a burglary of that car. The reason for those laws is stuff like this happens, and it's for no good reason. Big deal, either its a junk car or you've got it insured, right?
    You sir are an idiot! I would NEVER go outside without my gun if I thought there was someone out there with criminal intent. If they are a BG then they just could have intent to do me harm to do their crime. What would you go out there with, spit balls????? Perhaps years ago your simple presence would scare someone away but now days BGs will shoot you for a stick of gum!!!!

    I think we have a troll here!

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    "A sad, sad accident"...?-28784_397952126953691_603857841_n.jpg

    Here you go Vern. I'll loan you my troll sign. It wards off evil!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gejoslin View Post
    "A sad, sad accident"...?-28784_397952126953691_603857841_n.jpg

    Here you go Vern. I'll loan you my troll sign. It wards off evil!
    Thanks I needed that!!!!

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    My question, what were TWO rookie cops doing reporting to the scene of a break in? Shouldn't they be traveling with a veteran cop to avoid things like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Police officers have a higher credibility than the average citizen. They have too. If not every time someone got a ticket it would be their word vs the cops and the judge would have to throw it out.

    Without getting sucked into the debate over good cops vs bad cops, I think that they are handeling this situation correctly. Place the officers on leave and investigate. The same thing they always do.
    Depends on what happens after the "investigation". My bet is next to nothing.

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    "A sad, sad accident"...?

    The media sure is milking that "I felt threatened" thing. How about saying "officer felt his life was in danger?" Looks like they'll be going after police guns next. Then DHS will have them all.

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