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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Personally, I think Martin ran and looped around the block, popping-up with intent to surprise GZ from behind the condos. Thus GZ was likely the victim.
    George "claims" he got out of his vehicle to find a street sign because he didn't know where he was in a small gated community with only 5 streets where he had lived for years, was the Sheriff of the community, went on patrols several times a day and could see his townhouse from where he was but he didn't know what street he was on at the time.

    But Martin,a 17yo boy without any type of training, who had only been there a couple of days knew the "lay of the land" well enough that he was able to circle around and ambush George in the dark, with it drizzling rain.

    If you truly believe this send a PM my way because I want to talk to you about a real estate deal that involves ocean front property in Flagstaff, AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    So then how do they write a check or sign their name?
    The same way they did before cursive writing. A lot of people do not use cursive writing, especially outside the USA.

    I myself use it very little and in fact I use all capital print for all the handwriting that I do. It's just one of the many things that are left over from writing logs and reports while in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,



    George "claims" he got out of his vehicle to find a street sign because he didn't know where he was in a small gated community with only 5 streets where he had lived for years, was the Sheriff of the community, went on patrols several times a day and could see his townhouse from where he was but he didn't know what street he was on at the time.

    But Martin,a 17yo boy without any type of training, who had only been there a couple of days knew the "lay of the land" well enough that he was able to circle around and ambush George in the dark, with it drizzling rain.

    If you truly believe this send a PM my way because I want to talk to you about a real estate deal that involves ocean front property in Flagstaff, AZ.

    Paul
    I don't do PMs in relation to discussions going on in public. That said, I have questions about Zimmerman's actions that night, but here's the deal: Unless one can prove to a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was the aggressor (not just someone following and/or observing), he gets the benefit of the doubt and walks. This thread is about the trial, and that is the #1 consideration of any trial in America, or at least it's supposed to be. Can the state meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it can't, can the jury leave emotion and conjecture out of it, apply the law and give the defendant the benefit of that reasonable doubt? If the answer to either one of those questions is "No," then this trial is a sham, and since reasonable doubt is literally screaming out of the nation's televisions on a daily basis, that's exactly what this trial is.

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    Getting a little off subject but...
    Lesson #1, Mr. Zimmerman might have had his brains bashed in and weapon stolen if he had not kept a round in the chamber.
    Lesson #2, the gun never went off until Mr. Zimmerman wanted it to. (For all those who worry about premature discharge).
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    the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    It will come out in closing arguments that he chose the PF9 because it had no external safety and kept a round in the chamber so it took the least amount of effort possible to fire it. In other words, "Ladies of the jury, this murderous maniac just couldn't wait to pull the trigger on one of those a-holes who always gets away! He couldn't even wait as long as it took to disengage a safety!"

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    A good argument for the defense would be to compare the Keltec to LEO carrying Glocks with no external safety. Or even revolvers. When they asked the firearm expert to explain "semi-auto" she said "when you pull the trigger it fires once." What? Isn't that also a revolver?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,



    George "claims" he got out of his vehicle to find a street sign because he didn't know where he was in a small gated community with only 5 streets where he had lived for years, was the Sheriff of the community, went on patrols several times a day and could see his townhouse from where he was but he didn't know what street he was on at the time.

    But Martin,a 17yo boy without any type of training, who had only been there a couple of days knew the "lay of the land" well enough that he was able to circle around and ambush George in the dark, with it drizzling rain.

    If you truly believe this send a PM my way because I want to talk to you about a real estate deal that involves ocean front property in Flagstaff, AZ.

    Paul
    If you look back you'll see I posted the same questions. How could GZ not know where he was? Watching the testimony of the two investigators regarding GZ's interview, he lost sight of TM who ran. When he returned he claims TM popped out on him. Looking at te map and the notes written on it by investigators, the only way TM got back there was to go around the building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    If you look back you'll see I posted the same questions. How could GZ not know where he was? Watching the testimony of the two investigators regarding GZ's interview, he lost sight of TM who ran. When he returned he claims TM popped out on him. Looking at te map and the notes written on it by investigators, the only way TM got back there was to go around the building.
    I don't agree that was the "only" way TM could've concealed himself for two reasons. One, if he had gone around the building, he would've had to pass the apartment he was staying in, where his dad and his fiance and her son were waiting for him to come back and watch the NBA All-Star Game. It's actually a pretty far hike to go that way. I don't know if there's a GZ account about how far behind TM he actually was, but I do think that TM wasn't so far ahead that he wouldn't have to run pretty hard to get back to GZ in the much shorter time it would've taken him to get back to the "T" in the sidewalk. Take a look at the map here where the fiance's apartment is marked to see how far Martin would've had to go to get all the way around the building.

    Two, neither Zimmerman nor the friend-girl that TM was talking on the phone with said anything about TM being out of breath when they first met up and the short exchange before the fight started. The girl said that supposedly TM was headed back to the fiance's apartment at her urging, which obviously isn't true because of where the initial meet-up is proven to have happened.

    I think it's most likely that Martin either hid in some nearby bushes as GZ perceived all along, or he just blended into the darkness against a wall or behind a pillar on a porch or patio or whatever. He likely watched GZ go to the far street, turn around and head back towards his truck, and maybe he thought he would be seen with GZ facing that direction and decided to expose himself rather than be backed against a wall or otherwise in limited space from which to move, fight or run or whatever.

    I have never discounted the possibility that Martin felt threatened by being followed, nor do I think that would be an unreasonable feeling to have, anymore than someone coming out of the darkness and demanding to know why you're following me MF'er might cause GZ to immediately take a defensive attitude. As I've said before, both of these guys just grossly misunderstood each other, and neither had the wherewithal to discern how their own actions might appear threatening to the other. That's the anatomy of a justifiable, self-defense killing to me, though nonetheless sad and tragic, and I sincerely hope everybody takes to heart the many lessons available to them from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Howdy,



    George "claims" he got out of his vehicle to find a street sign because he didn't know where he was in a small gated community with only 5 streets where he had lived for years, was the Sheriff of the community, went on patrols several times a day and could see his townhouse from where he was but he didn't know what street he was on at the time.

    But Martin,a 17yo boy without any type of training, who had only been there a couple of days knew the "lay of the land" well enough that he was able to circle around and ambush George in the dark, with it drizzling rain.

    If you truly believe this send a PM my way because I want to talk to you about a real estate deal that involves ocean front property in Flagstaff, AZ.

    Paul
    You can know where you're at, and not be able to tell someone else where you're at. We think in pictures, not words, so, In fact, the more familiar we are with an area, the less apt we are to remember street names and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    A good argument for the defense would be to compare the Keltec to LEO carrying Glocks with no external safety. Or even revolvers. When they asked the firearm expert to explain "semi-auto" she said "when you pull the trigger it fires once." What? Isn't that also a revolver?
    True of every non-auto firearm--yes?.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by K7lvo View Post
    You can know where you're at, and not be able to tell someone else where you're at. We think in pictures, not words, so, In fact, the more familiar we are with an area, the less apt we are to remember street names and the like.
    Ironically, this happens to me a lot. I know my area, my address, and I may go a block over or wherever, and can't remember the names of the streets just a few blocks away, and travel them constantly.

    I have very little trouble remembering the names of streets and areas I visit rarely.

    It's almost like actors when they over rehearse their lines, and when it's time, they are "up", as they call it. Not able to remember the lines.

    Not sure if this has any relevance to the discussion at hand, but not remembering too common names or areas does happen to me.

    It's almost like the brain blocks this info, because it is so repetitive in nature; a brain fart.

    I'm sure a brain specialist could explain the mechanism. Old age in my case.

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