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    "Social Justice" in action. After emotional testimony by TM's Mother that does nothing to bring more facts to the case and the emotional "pot stirring" by the prosecution the jurors using their best motherly instinct just might forget about the details of the law applied to the facts of the case. The thinking might just be that there is a dead 17 yr old kid. We have to be fair and someone has to pay! I doubt they will verbalize this; the thinking will be we have to compromise! In their mind that would be manslaughter. Don't tell me about the case and the law. Like that possible verdict, this has nothing to do with the law or the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    George "claims" he got out of his vehicle to find a street sign because he didn't know where he was in a small gated community with only 5 streets where he had lived for years, was the Sheriff of the community, went on patrols several times a day and could see his townhouse from where he was but he didn't know what street he was on at the time.

    But Martin,a 17yo boy without any type of training, who had only been there a couple of days knew the "lay of the land" well enough that he was able to circle around and ambush George in the dark, with it drizzling rain.

    If you truly believe this send a PM my way because I want to talk to you about a real estate deal that involves ocean front property in Flagstaff, AZ.
    I've lived in my current home for 12 years. It can be seen from several roads around here whose names I don't have memorized. Zimmerman wasn't a sheriff. Who said he patrolled the streets several times a day? Got a source or are you making up facts to fit your conclusion like the anti-gunners do? Lay of the land? I'm not sure about you but it only takes me a split second to recognize a bush when I see one. Apparently Martin recognized them pretty quick too. You have a very simplistic definition of" lay of the land".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I dunno, how old are you?

    I would consider myself part of the newest generation. I too am quite familiar with technology and how to make it work when the power goes out. Unlike the older generation, when the technology does work and evolves, we can naturally figure it out, but I don't mind teaching the older generation how to check their Facebook. So keep relying on the newest generation to help the lost...That is until Facebook shuts down.
    I'm 53, and I'm a computer systems engineer, so I don't have a problem with technology. I was working with computers before the PC was even dreamed of. I don't doubt your ability either. I've read lots of your posts. But I don't think you'd find it unreasonable when I say that MOST of the 'newest generation' would be in dire straits if the power went off and stayed off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I've lived in my current home for 12 years. It can be seen from several roads around here whose names I don't have memorized. Zimmerman wasn't a sheriff. Who said he patrolled the streets several times a day? Got a source or are you making up facts to fit your conclusion like the anti-gunners do? Lay of the land? I'm not sure about you but it only takes me a split second to recognize a bush when I see one. Apparently Martin recognized them pretty quick too. You have a very simplistic definition of" lay of the land".
    Stungun does seem to know a lot of information that no one else does, doesn't he?

    I can usually find a place after I drive there the first time. But it was about 2 years before I could remember the name of the road that I turn onto everyday to enter our portion of the subdivision. Can't tell you but three road names in our entire sub. I just drive through them, I don't memorize names.

    A few items that debunk his theories:

    Zimmerman knew the street name, he just couldn't find a number because he was walking behind the dwellings. Which is why re got out of the vehicle and headed in his direction, so that he could give them a close numbered address. Listen to the full 911 audio, which also backs up his video account of what happened.

    There's over 1.5 minutes of 911 call after Martin takes off at a run. That's quite a head start, so how did Zimmerman catch him, if Martin didn't double back? He was close enough at that point to have been safely home. And Zimmerman already told the dispatcher he'd meet the cops back at his truck.

    If he considered himself a sheriff, then why did he turn down the citizens on patrol (as one witness testified), which would have given him a uniform and a police-like patrol vehicle?

    The only injuries noted in the autopsy, was the gun shot wound, and abrasion on his knuckle (most likely from punching the stuffing out of Zimmerman). Nothing else. I wouldn't try to hit someone on the knuckle with my face to try to knock them out. It wouldn't be very effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1derbike View Post
    I have very little trouble remembering the names of streets and areas I visit rarely.

    It's almost like actors when they over rehearse their lines, and when it's time, they are "up", as they call it. Not able to remember the lines.

    Not sure if this has any relevance to the discussion at hand, but not remembering too common names or areas does happen to me.

    It's almost like the brain blocks this info, because it is so repetitive in nature; a brain fart.

    I'm sure a brain specialist could explain the mechanism. Old age in my case.
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    Hanging out yesterday with my friend talking about the case. He's a criminal defense lawyer based in NYC. His belief is that the case was way over-charged; that proving second degree murder is impossible with the evidence they had. He thought a form of criminally negligent homicide would have been easier to prove but carries very little jail time. As a prosecutor he would not have charged GZ at all.

    He did bring up two issues. First, he finds tremendous bias in the court allowing GZ's college records, professors comments and job application records but not TM's records. Second, GZ is accused of pursuing TM because of race but fails the court overlooks the "crazy-ass-cracker" comment, if true, as racism on the part of TM. The only evidence of racism thus far is on the part of TM.

    He reminded me where I come from... just like him. He said "you've seen it a million times growing-up." Wise-ass punk thug kid thinks he can beat everyone down without consequence.
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    Howdy Rhino,

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I've lived in my current home for 12 years. It can be seen from several roads around here whose names I don't have memorized. Zimmerman wasn't a sheriff. Who said he patrolled the streets several times a day? Got a source or are you making up facts to fit your conclusion like the anti-gunners do? Lay of the land? I'm not sure about you but it only takes me a split second to recognize a bush when I see one. Apparently Martin recognized them pretty quick too. You have a very simplistic definition of" lay of the land".
    How is it possible that you have lived in the same place for 12 years but you don't know the name of a street that you can see from you're house? Like George's story, that doesn't add up.

    Martin "thought" he was the Sheriff of Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes' HOA ( Home Owner's Association ) settled a $1,000,000.00 wrongful death lawsuit with Martin's family and the HOA's President testified that George repeated told homeowners to turn down their music, that they needed to clean up around their townhouse, that their cars were not parked in accordance with HOA rules, etc.

    Gee, that sure sounds more like a cop wannabe than a neighborhood crime watch.

    HOA Pres. Also stated that he did NOT know George was a convicted criminal or that George was armed while on patrol.

    Based on the number of calls to the real police and George's statement(s), and complaint's files with the HOA, he went on patrol several times a day.

    "Lay of the land"? That's a term country folk used the describe that terrain in a given area. If you know where the creeks, ridges, draws, flats, etc are located in a geographical area you know the "lay of the land". Comes in handy for deer, turkey, and squirrel hunting. And when you want to circle around and ambush someone too.

    "simplistic"? That's me. :) I'm just a hillbilly farmboy from Arkansas. I ain't no rocket sciencist but I do know the name of the streets around my house.

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    The prosecution has blown it at every possible turn in this case, and the only thing they are succeeding at is proving that charges should have never been filed. The only reason they ever were is because somebody was playing politics and caved to minority pressure screaming hate crime.
    Only one correction here.
    The Prosecution has not blown it. They have presented what there was to present.
    Other than that I agree with you completely.
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    The medical examiner is a worst witness than Martin's phone pal. He even argues with the judge.

    The jury might excuse the phone pal's behavior on the stand because she was a private citizen and friend of the deceased - but the medical examiner is a public employee who should just be answering questions in neutral way.

    And he made the mistake of taking his personal notes to the stand, which means the defense gets to examine those notes and cross him on those notes. then he acted very protective about the notes in front of the jury, leaving the impression that there is something in those notes he does not want the jury to know about.

    I always tell my witness (1) anything you use to prepare for your testimony can be discovered by the other side; and (2) never take anything with you to the stand other than a document that is either already in evidence or one we plan to enter into evidence through you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
    Martin "thought" he was the Sheriff of Twin Lakes.
    Considering that your post was made for no other reason than to question the veracity of another member who said (presumably truthfully) that they don't know the name of a street in close proximity to their home, it seems that you don't know the names of the principles in a nationally-known, highly-publicized case that we've all been discussing for two weeks now.

    In case you don't get the crux of my observation, if the above statement has any credibility whatsoever, it would only apply to Zimmerman, not Martin. Oops.

    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    The medical examiner is a worst witness than Martin's phone pal. He even argues with the judge.

    The jury might excuse the phone pal's behavior on the stand because she was a private citizen and friend of the deceased - but the medical examiner is a public employee who should just be answering questions in neutral way.

    And he made the mistake of taking his personal notes to the stand, which means the defense gets to examine those notes and cross him on those notes. then he acted very protective about the notes in front of the jury, leaving the impression that there is something in those notes he does not want the jury to know about.

    I always tell my witness (1) anything you use to prepare for your testimony can be discovered by the other side; and (2) never take anything with you to the stand other than a document that is either already in evidence or one we plan to enter into evidence through you.
    I never would've thought a worse witness could come out of this witch-hunt than the friend-girl, but man! You hit that nail right on the head.

    So what's the "cure" for this debacle? The ME was reading from his secret script when he testified to Trayvon still being in pain, still suffering etc. How can the judge possibly fix this? I guess she could dismiss the witness and strike his testimony from the record since every bit of it was based on nothing he wrote contemporaneous to the events he was testifying about, but if his testimony is stricken, the defense can't use the prosecution's incompetency against them in closing arguments, right? And the prosecution wouldn't be able to use anything the guy said that the judge deems allowable if his testimony stays in, right?

    Too weird. Still strange goings-on down there in Sanford, FL

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