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    Considering how little Dela Rionda(sp?) had to work with in the way of evidence, his closing argument was well-delivered and interesting to watch and listen to.

    That said, what it wasn't, was an argument that tied the evidence together in a way that proved anything that's in dispute. Self defense was not covered beyond a passing mention or two, and it is the state's burden to prove that the shooting wasn't done in a "reasonable belief" standard of self defense.

    The question of who threw the first punch was left up in the air. I don't remember him even trying to assert that Zimmerman started the physical altercation. Leaving that question unanswered, even wholly unaddressed, leaves nothing but reasonable doubt dangling out there for the jury to latch onto.

    The question of who was screaming for help is likewise left with nothing more than a passing allusion to "....isn't it interesting that the screaming stopped at the moment the gunshot was heard?" I understand there's no way to prove conclusively who was screaming, but the evidence in the trial record of John Good's eye and ear witness testimony from only 17 feet away from what he saw and heard is no lightweight bit of evidence. It weighs heavily in favor of Zimmerman and, again, leaves the fruit of reasonable doubt dangling ripe and juicy right in front of the juror's eyes.

    Who was on top and who was on the bottom is also (somewhat) in dispute, and not even a suggestion of Martin being on the bottom, much less an attempt to connect dots that would equal proof, was offered the jurors to hang their hats on.

    The entire basis for the ill will and depraved mind elements of 2nd Degree Murder are the utterances of "these ********** always get away" and referring to Martin as a "F'n punk." That's it. Unless the women of the jury were all raised in a monastery, it's the kind of language they've heard from their fathers, brothers, boyfriends and husbands all their lives when those people have been frustrated with people and issues that don't act or go the way they'd like. It doesn't mean they have hatred or a depraved mind with a disregard for human life for the targets of those kinds of expressions. It means they're frustrated with a situation, just like Zimmerman was frustrated with the cops getting there too late in all the previous reports he'd called in. There is nothing in anything he said or can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have done that reaches the threshold of ill will and a depraved mind having disregard for human life in this case, therefore, 2nd Degree should be the first thing being thrown out the window in the jury room, and then when they realize that the state has not come anywhere near disproving that Zimmerman acted in self defense, the whole case should follow close behind. Not guilty!

    Without hearing a word from the defense yet, if I were a juror, I would already be pissed at the state (and the judge) for allowing this travesty to proceed and waste so much of my time. But that's me, an older male, gun-owner, somewhat opinionated (HA!), and somewhat obsessive court-watcher who has a vested interest in learning all I can about the law surrounding carrying and/or having to use concealed weapons. None of us knows what "kind" of folks the jurors are, but everywhere they turn in their deliberations, they will run into an impenetrable wall of reasonable doubt. I can't fathom that six Americans of any gender, any background, any lifestyle could ignore that wall and vote guilty in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gejoslin View Post
    Really!! This is crazy! I can't believe the state lawyers can get away with this!
    That judge should be disbarred, or whatever they do to judges. She isn't even pretending to act impartial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    What is NOT speculation is that the DOJ was involved in staging the protests that resulted in Zimmerman being tried in the first case, when it has been universally agreed that he would most likely have been cleared by a SYG hearing. What is NOT speculation is that the DOJ gave a 40 MILE police escort to the students who were bussed in from Orlando to Sanford to stage the sit in at the Sanford police station that led to the resignation of the police chief. Judicial Watch has obtained the documents and emails from the DOJ that confirmed all of this (Documents Obtained by Judicial Watch Detail Role of Justice Department in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests | Judicial Watch). What is NOT speculation is that our illustrious president brought pressure on law enforcement in Sanford to prefer charges against Zimmerman by going on national TV to tell us that Trayvon would have looked like his son if he had actually had a son (just like when he brought pressure on the police when Professor Gates was "harassed" by cops who "acted stupidly") - which also insured that seating an unbiased jury would be next to impossible. What is NOT speculation is that the DOJ has done nothing to Black Panther leadership that has threatened retaliation killings if Zimmerman is acquitted, threats that would have brought the fury of the administration down on any white organization that made such threats

    So it isn't a jump at all to think that the DOJ just might be bringing pressure on the judge in this case to force a desired result. This administration has proven time and again that it will do anything to achieve the results it wants. They want Zimmerman convicted at all costs.
    First, he would not have been cleared by a stand your ground hearing because it is not a stand your ground case. His lawyers were smart enough to realize that.

    Second, you can't jump from fact A to speculation C without some evidence to support the conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    First, he would not have been cleared by a stand your ground hearing because it is not a stand your ground case. His lawyers were smart enough to realize that.

    Second, you can't jump from fact A to speculation C without some evidence to support the conclusion.
    Why not? The prosecution just spent 2 1/2 hours asking the jury to do exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vernsimpson View Post
    What I take away from this trial is that I will not move to Florida. I would not want to ever live somewhere that would put me on trial for NOT breaking any law. If GZ was black and TM was a "white" Hispanic there would be no trial and we would have NEVER heard of this shooting!!! Sharpton and Jackson have not said anything to try to prevent "so called" riots if GZ is found not guilty. They will come out after the riots start and act like the heroes.

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    It could be interesting to see how the judge will act if the jury comes back with a not guilty verdict on ALL "so called" charges!!!! i would bet the farm that she will show her true colors if that happens.

    But I fully expect the all female jury to convict GZ of something. Then he will have to appeal and go through this crap again. The libs, anti gun nuts and a lot of blacks will not be satisfied until they get their pound of flesh!!!

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    Nice tactic by the judge. Allowing the defense to give their closing argument today so the jury can stew about it all night tonight. They will have made their decision by the time they go to bed and will wake up tomorrow with their minds made up and will not give a rat's ass about what the defense presents tomorrow. While I am certain there will be no conviction of Murder 2, I'm pretty sure Zimmerman will get railroaded on Manslaughter which was probably the plan for the start. Hope I am wrong.

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  10. I'm glad I didn't watch all of it. My TV may have had a brick or two lobbed near it in anger. I'm shockingly expecting M2 from the band of court jesters. I'm hoping for acquittal. This trial, with the help of Obama and his racial goon squads, have made a mockery of the justice system.

    What other racially played justice may we expect from this administration? The contempt citations should have been long and expensive, but no, Trayvon could have looked just like my son. The only compelling thoughts I have about this whole charade, is the race card has been dealt a new low blow. The prosecution has dealt a new low blow. I thought justice was blind. What an idiot I've become...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by vernsimpson View Post
    It could be interesting to see how the judge will act if the jury comes back with a not guilty verdict on ALL "so called" charges!!!! i would bet the farm that she will show her true colors if that happens.

    But I fully expect the all female jury to convict GZ of something. Then he will have to appeal and go through this crap again. The libs, anti gun nuts and a lot of blacks will not be satisfied until they get their pound of flesh!!!
    Yes, the judge would throw-out the not guilty of all charges verdict, admonish the jurors (hold them in contempt?), and deliver the sentence she has been commanded to apply. You know it!

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