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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I am seriously doubting his claim about being an attorney. I can't see where any reputable attorney would ever try to pass a tweet off as evidence.
    I'm doubting that it's even a he. Or a gun owner.

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    I am thinking that all the tweets came from a mosque, since the NSA doesn't spy on them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramer1113 View Post
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    Anyone have a list of other things Young Kareeeeeem will do for $20.00?
    Apparently he won't spend it on a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino View Post
    I can't see where any reputable attorney would ever try to pass a tweet off as evidence.
    A tweet can be tracked. Social media posts are regularly used as supporting evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post

    Every single one of those messages should be culled from the NSA's dragnet captures, and investigated to determine if each individual messenger has the ability and/or intent to follow through with those expressions of their thuggish "culture," and if so, should suffer whatever legal consequences the law provides for in relation to making terroristic threats.

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    Uhm seriously? on the one hand we are here for 2nd amendment rights.. and which we are all for.. We use our 1st amendment rights here to expose violations of our 2nd and yet the 1st amendment rights are to be denied for others just because its against someone you like? I actually have no problem with idiots saying crap like that, because all it does is validate the need for 2nd amendment.

    Those NSA / etc type crap are not against people who say things that are anti individual, they are to fight anti establishment folks like us and those who believe the government is wrong.

    While I do not agree with what any idiot like those, has said online.. I would be more concerned with actions of said person. What they say can be used maybe as a "watch them" type situation - but until they actually do something - they shouldn't be bothered otherwise. At most for anyone underage, I would direct parents attention to such posts/etc without involving cops, and if parents didn't do anything then I would keep the kids on a watch list and add parents too. lol

    Hell im sure im already on a watch list just for posting here :P

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    Hell im sure im already on a watch list just for posting here :P
    Aren't we all?

    Sent from my phone (which explains all the typos), using the USACARRY app.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Hell im sure im already on a watch list just for posting here :P
    I am Caucasian, Straight, Conservative, Gun-owning, Military, Frequent communicator with my Elected representatives, etc. I am sure this forum is the least of my worries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    Every single one of those messages should be culled from the NSA's dragnet captures, and investigated to determine if each individual messenger has the ability and/or intent to follow through with those expressions of their thuggish "culture," and if so, should suffer whatever legal consequences the law provides for in relation to making terroristic threats.
    Uhm seriously?
    Not that I think you really understood what I wrote, but yeah, serious as a heart attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    ....on the one hand we are here for 2nd amendment rights.. and which we are all for.. We use our 1st amendment rights here to expose violations of our 2nd and yet the 1st amendment rights are to be denied for others just because its against someone you like?
    So you think threatening to kill somebody falls within 1st Amendment protections? I'm here to tell you that, whether or not "I" like the person being threatened (and BTW, I don't like George Zimmerman), every one of those threats is against the law, and not protected by the 1st Amendment. I specifically said though, that they should be investigated, and if the messenger has the requisite ability and intent to prosecute under the auspices of those relevant statutes, whatever consequences the law provides for should befall them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    I actually have no problem with idiots saying crap like that, because all it does is validate the need for 2nd amendment.
    I see. So not only do you not understand what the 1st Amendment protects, but you likewise don't understand that the only way anyone's actions would or could "validate" the need for the 2A is to take up arms against a tyrannical government. From the Framers' perspective, the 2A has little, maybe even nothing, to do with simply defending yourself against another individual. If you think it's about self-defense rather than Constitution-defense, then find a single paragraph in the Federalist Papers or any other writings by the Framers relating to that as a foundational "need" for its creation. Best of luck with that.

    Fact is, anything other than defending against tyrannical government, such as self-defense, hunting, sport shooting or whatever, is simply an ancillary benefit of the 2A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Those NSA / etc type crap are not against people who say things that are anti individual, they are to fight anti establishment folks like us and those who believe the government is wrong.
    The "proper" use of that information would go against terrorists, and masses of violence-prone people making death threats against specific individuals is actually called "terroristic threats" in many jurisdictions. You have it exactly backwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    While I do not agree with what any idiot like those, has said online.. I would be more concerned with actions of said person.
    Which is why I said that the ability and intent would have to be present before any of them could or should be prosecuted for making terroristic threats. Did you read any of my post beyond just seeing "NSA" and knee-jerking your way through a post that shows how little of it you actually understood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    What they say can be used maybe as a "watch them" type situation - but until they actually do something - they shouldn't be bothered otherwise.
    Threatening to kill someone is "doing something." Especially if the person making the threat can be shown to have the ability and intent to follow through with it. That takes more than "watching them," it takes an investigation, with the public threat being the probable cause to launch such an investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    At most for anyone underage, I would direct parents attention to such posts/etc without involving cops
    You would direct their parents to the posts? How would you go about doing that? Just ask Twitter for their contact information? And how would you know who's a minor and who isn't to begin with? You really didn't think this through at all, did you?

    And I would not involve cops myself either. I say that probable cause to investigate a crime has been committed in about the most public way it could be. They shouldn't need me or you or anyone else to "get" them to squelch these incitements to violence, they should just do their freakin' jobs and hunt the hateful cretins down like the animals they portray themselves to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    and if parents didn't do anything then I would keep the kids on a watch list and add parents too. lol
    Yeah, this is all funny stuff, ain't it though?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Hell im sure im already on a watch list just for posting here :P
    Well, I know for a fact that I am, but unjustifiable and unconstitutional surveillance of Patriots has absolutely nothing to do with investigating the crime of making terroristic threats.

    Seriously.

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    No one has ever heard me say that I "hate" cops, because I don't. This is why I will never trust one again though: You just never know...

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    Ok.. FYI - NSA dragnets/etc are supposed to be used against foreign operatives and not on US citizens.
    As for words online? made on Twitter/facebook/etc.. Ive been threatened numerous times - infact Ive had someone sending threatening voice messages over xbox.. Most of which I ignored as stupid bull crap idiots say. The verbal threats over xbox I did report to Microsoft, only because I knew they would ban the guy. not because I cared he would do what he said or anything.

    I dont want to see the government coming down on everyone who posts stupid stuff online.. Even if it is deadly threat.. More often then not, government cracks the whip, instead of a simple interview.

    When government gets involved things go downhill faster then they need..
    Case in point is post I made about teenager making a joke to his friend, stupid sure, actual threat no - yet cops arrested him, locked him up and held him in jail without really investigating or questioning things.

    Texas teen charged with making terroristic threat after online joke | khou.com Houston

    I also have to mention how the police seem to love to raid a place with swat gear / tactics based on wrong information from online sources. Such as posting from open wifi / hacked wifi / or just someone else's house. seriously crazy how they act over just something as simple as file sharing.. wonder what they do to "death threats".. Go in guns blazing and hose down the criminal miscreants?

    Hence why I dont care what people say online..

    However, had same crap been said in person.. then its a different story..

    as for getting contact information from twitter or facebook / etc.. well its very easy to get lots of information now a days.. Most of those same idiots who post on twitter/facebook etc have all that information posted for their friends to see or world to see if the settings are wrong. More then likely a simple google search can find most of them.

    I personally like the post from the guy who said if zimmermen gets off, he will kill himself! -- So do you actually think he will? and if he does, does it matter to the world at large? Most of those idiots posted crap to get just this kind of attention.

    AS for your being on a watch list, the anti defamation league and a government agency's watch list are two separate things. though being here might have included you in the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Ok.. FYI - NSA dragnets/etc are supposed to be used against foreign operatives and not on US citizens.
    As for words online? made on Twitter/facebook/etc.. Ive been threatened numerous times - infact Ive had someone sending threatening voice messages over xbox.. Most of which I ignored as stupid bull crap idiots say. The verbal threats over xbox I did report to Microsoft, only because I knew they would ban the guy. not because I cared he would do what he said or anything.

    I dont want to see the government coming down on everyone who posts stupid stuff online.. Even if it is deadly threat.. More often then not, government cracks the whip, instead of a simple interview.

    When government gets involved things go downhill faster then they need..
    Case in point is post I made about teenager making a joke to his friend, stupid sure, actual threat no - yet cops arrested him, locked him up and held him in jail without really investigating or questioning things.

    Texas teen charged with making terroristic threat after online joke | khou.com Houston

    I also have to mention how the police seem to love to raid a place with swat gear / tactics based on wrong information from online sources. Such as posting from open wifi / hacked wifi / or just someone else's house. seriously crazy how they act over just something as simple as file sharing.. wonder what they do to "death threats".. Go in guns blazing and hose down the criminal miscreants?

    Hence why I dont care what people say online..

    However, had same crap been said in person.. then its a different story..

    as for getting contact information from twitter or facebook / etc.. well its very easy to get lots of information now a days.. Most of those same idiots who post on twitter/facebook etc have all that information posted for their friends to see or world to see if the settings are wrong. More then likely a simple google search can find most of them.

    I personally like the post from the guy who said if zimmermen gets off, he will kill himself! -- So do you actually think he will? and if he does, does it matter to the world at large? Most of those idiots posted crap to get just this kind of attention.

    AS for your being on a watch list, the anti defamation league and a government agency's watch list are two separate things. though being here might have included you in the latter.
    I can not follow your logic it is invalid. What that teen in Texas posted was a bad joke as he now knows from the reaction he has gotten. The people on twitter posting threats about killing a white boy or cracker are not protected by the first amendment due to it being a threat. If you think that the first amendment will help you next time at the airport near the security screening station start saying the words "Bomb, explosion, Gunpowder" and see if they do not take you in for special screening to see if you have the means to be a threat. As most of us have heard you can not yell fire in a movie theater and be protected by the first amendment. Don't take my word below you will find the url link to the wikipedia page where I quoted from. Shouting fire in a crowded theater - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant's speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
    The paraphrasing does not generally include the word "falsely", i.e., "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater", which was the original wording used in Holmes's opinion and highlights that speech which is dangerous and false, as opposed to speech which is truthful but also dangerous.
    So any speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic is not protected by the first amendment. So making death threat on twitter and facebook is not protected by the first amendment and is against the law.

    Now don't get me wrong, If the Ku Klux Klan or Westboro Baptist Church what to hold a rally they are free to do so and I will support their right to do so even though I do not agree with their message. They have the right to free speech and can continue their rally as long as they are not breaking the law. As I have the option of leaving if I do not want to hear their speech.

    So I hope you now understand why those of us here are wanting the police and government to enforce the laws we all have to follow. We are not trying to hamper their first amendment rights in any way we are just holding them to the laws that say you can not threaten someone.

    If you see an error in my logic Dunewolf please point it out to me, just as I did for you.
    Last edited by Kasper; 06-30-2013 at 02:08 PM. Reason: correcting spelling error

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