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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    AS for your being on a watch list, the anti defamation league and a government agency's watch list are two separate things. though being here might have included you in the latter.
    Ever heard of a DHS hit-piece against conservatives called, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment?"

    If you haven't, I can't say I'd be surprised. If you have, have you also looked into the sources the DHS used to compile that pile? Besides ThinkProgress, Media Matters, and the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ADL was one of their sources as well. The DHS "report" is updated every year. That link goes to the first one from 2009, and the link to the ADL report that I gave in my last post was from 2010. That is the year that ADL was added to DHS's list of sources.

    As to the rest of your post......Pffft.

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    [PHP](UCurrent Economic and Political Climate 
    (U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that a number of economic and political factors are 
    driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity
    Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990sthe threat posed by lone wolves and small 
    terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years
    In additionthe historical election of 
    an African American president 
    and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a 
    driving force 
    for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization.
    &
    #8212; (U) A recent example of the potential violence associated with a rise in rightwing 
    extremism may be found in the shooting deaths of three police officers in 
    Pittsburgh
    Pennsylvaniaon 4 April 2009. The alleged gunman’s reaction 
    reportedly was influenced by his racist ideology and belief in antigovernment 
    conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations
    citizen detention camps, and 
    Jewish
    -controlled “one world government.” 
    (UExploiting Economic Downturn 
    (U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the 
    economythe perceived loss of U.Sjobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors
    and 
    home foreclosuresAnti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate 
    conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish 
    “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics 
    are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize 
    those already subscribing to extremist beliefs
    DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to 
    accelerate 
    if the economy is perceived to worsen
    (
    UHistorical Presidential Election 
    (U//LES) Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment 
    toolMany rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential 
    administration 
    and its perceived stance on a range of issuesincluding immigration and 
    citizenshipthe expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 
    UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 
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    (U//FOUO) Perceptions on Poverty and Radicalization 
    (U//FOUO) Scholars and experts disagree over poverty’s role in motivating violent radicalization or 
    terrorist activityHigh unemploymenthoweverhas the potential to lead to alienationthus increasing 
    an individual
    ’s susceptibility to extremist ideas. According to a 2007 study from the German Institute 
    for Economic Researchthere appears to be a strong association between a parent’s unemployment 
    status and the formation of rightwing extremist beliefs in their children—specifically xenophobia and 
    antidemocratic ideals.
    ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns 
    and leverage them as drivers for recruitmentFrom the 2008 election timeframe to the 
    present
    rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in 
    expanded propaganda campaigns
    thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential 
    sympathizers
    .
    &
    #8212; (U//LES) Most statements by rightwing extremists have been rhetorical, 
    expressing concerns about the election of the first African American president
    but stopping short of calls for violent actionIn two instances in the run-up to the 
    election
    extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some 
    threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee
    but law enforcement 
    interceded 
    [/PHP]

    So everyone on here is under watch. So all of those members bad mouthing the President keep your eyes open cause you are being watched.
    Last edited by Kasper; 07-02-2013 at 01:00 AM. Reason: Spelling errors and fixing my lazyness

  4. why would the "NIGGAS" be mad at the "CRACKERS", isn't Zimmerman a "wet back"?

    insensitivity intended

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    What I find appalling about these obvious threats is how it fulfills the image that so many say is unfair, that they find so appalling. Sadly, the authors of these tweets make Paula Deen's case for her.

    We hear "Thou shalt not profile", but then "gangsta" wannabes go out of their way to fulfill threatening stereotypes, posting general threats. Are they serious threats? Who knows? Are they credible? One has to accept that they are in at least some cases. And, frankly, I am unwilling to believe that if ANY are fake, that ALL are planted. We will see once the verdict is in.

    This makes it more likely that another young Trayvon who thinks it is fashionable to play "gangsta", get in people's faces and act menacing is going to get shot. Do these tweets mean that if a group of two, three or more (disparity of force) young black males walk up on a single white male and physically accost him, that Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy are present and lethal force will be justified (do the tweets suggest jeopardy)? Would these tweets go to state of mind (reasonableness) of the defendant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post

    So everyone on here is under watch. So all of those members bad mouthing the Prez kkep your eyes open cause you are being watched.
    Just remember though, death threats on the interwebs are all made by teenagers, they should be ignored by law enforcement, and the whole subject should make us "lol." No, seriously!

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    Kasper
    Your logic is flawed.. because had you read the artical, it wasnt taken as a JOKE or even a BAD JOKE.. everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE.. but the person that reported to the cops didnt think so..
    So your saying we should police the internet for all words that are to be taken as threats? including those used in this situation on zimmermen? Where does it stop? when is enough, enough? should we police porn too? how about these forums for anti presidential speech? wait lets not stop their lets continue the slippery slope.. Government as is, cannot, should not be the one dealing with this kind of stupid garbage.

    The stupid and ignorant morons who post that kind of garbage, should be held accountable by decent folks sure - hopefully friends and family of those individuals step in and slap some sense into them..
    Growing up I said lots of stupid things as a kid, never got much attention outside the neighborhood I grew up in, because we didn't have internet age of posting things online to millions of people most of whom you never met or meet.

    You and blues are both here to discuss anti 2a stuff and the stupid politics that are involved.. and yet your trying to convince me that I should allow government intrusion and inspection of my words online? even the stuff I said in jest or anger way back when I was young? and those same words I should allow be used against me in future, in perpetuity? by all government related agency's? I dont think so.

    The police do not have the money, nor the ability to investigate every death threat made online.. to even think they should is only opening a can of worms the likes of which you obviously are oblivious too.. If even the CIA, NSA, FBI and entire clearing house of DHS cannot investigate every death threat made against America.. (despite trying) then its obviously stupid to expect death threats in this case to be all taken with more then grain of salt.

    I also find it rather shocking that you try to go against what I say, by claiming your subjected to being watch lists / etc - I actually tossed that in as a joke - which I find hilarious that your both so interested in that you have to post proof of you being on such a list. lol Noone cares but you, and honestly in grand scheme of things I dont care much what those idiots say online - until they make face 2 face threats - I wouldn't be giving it another thought. otherwise how would you sleep at night knowing 100+ people or more threatened to kill you?? even owning guns and having a secure living environment with guard dogs and such doesn't prevent a motivated, dedicated person from taking your life or your family's.. if you wish to live in fear of words, continue to do so.. but I myself wont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    You and blues are both here to discuss anti 2a stuff and the stupid politics that are involved..
    I'm not speaking for Kasper, but in this thread, I'm here to talk about the death threats towards Zimmerman, just like the name of the thread implies we all should be. This is the "Deadly Force and the Law" sub-forum, not a 2A or politics-specific forum.

    I honestly wish you were trying as hard to understand the topic of the thread, what people are saying in it, and what the law does and doesn't protect, as you are trying to trivialize the significance of the degradation of our society that those messages represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dark View Post
    What I find appalling about these obvious threats is how it fulfills the image that so many say is unfair, that they find so appalling. Sadly, the authors of these tweets make Paula Deen's case for her.

    We hear "Thou shalt not profile", but then "gangsta" wannabes go out of their way to fulfill threatening stereotypes, posting general threats. Are they serious threats? Who knows? Are they credible? One has to accept that they are in at least some cases. And, frankly, I am unwilling to believe that if ANY are fake, that ALL are planted. We will see once the verdict is in.

    This makes it more likely that another young Trayvon who thinks it is fashionable to play "gangsta", get in people's faces and act menacing is going to get shot. Do these tweets mean that if a group of two, three or more (disparity of force) young black males walk up on a single white male and physically accost him, that Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy are present and lethal force will be justified (do the tweets suggest jeopardy)? Would these tweets go to state of mind (reasonableness) of the defendant?
    Excellent post Dark. Thumb's up.
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    Justice For Zimmerman!
    If it doesn't fit, FORCE it! If it breaks then it needed to be replaced anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Kasper
    Your logic is flawed.. because had you read the artical, it wasnt taken as a JOKE or even a BAD JOKE.. everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE.. but the person that reported to the cops didnt think so..
    So your saying we should police the internet for all words that are to be taken as threats? including those used in this situation on zimmermen? Where does it stop? when is enough, enough? should we police porn too? how about these forums for anti presidential speech? wait lets not stop their lets continue the slippery slope.. Government as is, cannot, should not be the one dealing with this kind of stupid garbage.

    The stupid and ignorant morons who post that kind of garbage, should be held accountable by decent folks sure - hopefully friends and family of those individuals step in and slap some sense into them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    Your logic is flawed.. because had you read the artical, it wasnt taken as a JOKE or even a BAD JOKE.. everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE..
    No your reply is flawed. If everyone who read it knew it as a JOKE the Texas teen would not have been arrested.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunewolf View Post
    So your saying we should police the internet for all words that are to be taken as threats?
    No I am not saying that. Continue reading below to find out what it is I am saying.

    I did read and comprehend the news article as I pointed out the Texas teen was making a joke and in my opinion a bad joke due to the times we are living in. But to place a joke online where other people who do not know anything about you or your sense of humor is stupid. If you take into account all of the things that have happened you can see why some people mistakenly take it as a threat instead of a joke. I learned log ago never to put anything on the internet you don't want someone to find cause it will be found.

    So back to your point of trying to say I want everyone's words watched is wrong. The teen in Texas learned that there can be repercussions for posting jokes online. They did not arrest him for posting it but for what it represented, A threat. Since they did not know the teen or his sense of humor it was taken as a threat. But not just by the person who read it but by the police too.

    So we are not trying to take away or infringe on a persons right to free speech but to enforce the laws we have, That states you can not threaten a persons live.
    Last edited by Kasper; 07-02-2013 at 08:59 AM. Reason: corection

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