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    Arkansas SWAT kills a 107 year old man

    AP article in my 9/9 paper describes a story of a 107 year old man who was killed by SWAT officers in a standoff on 9/8 in Pine Bluff, AK. Sorry I am not good with posting article, but regardless of the events leading to and ending with the death, this story begs for an understanding and appreciation of SWAT tactics requiring such an ending. Something is truly wrong--IMO.

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    Bat ***** crazy old dude shooting at the popo. Always a bad ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dad45acp View Post
    Bat ***** crazy old dude shooting at the popo. Always a bad ending.

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    Do you just think the SWATS would know some of this and not force the issue this way? He was 107 and he deserves to be a lttle "bat ****" crazy. It is just the idea that they HAD TO confront. The article says "it was clear that negotiations weren't working"--golly gee--he is 107. Leave him alone and he will fall asleep.

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    Yup until he started shooting THROUGH the front door...which undoubtedly concluded negotiations. Age becomes irrelevant at that point.

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  6. He was 107. Leave him alone a while, and he will either fall asleep, over dead, or go out the back door for the early bird meal at the diner. Then you can arrest him and jail him for life for having the temerity to shoot at a cop. Life in prison may have been his solution to not enough social security to live on anyway....

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    Its funny to see how people can get distracted by age even when the active shooter in this scenario is just as dangerous as a 30 yr old with a gun. Aside from that, none of us know how the negotiations broke down and how the decision was made to make entry. Something profound must have been said or initiated by the suspect. Because in these cases, however LE reacts is based on the actions of the BG.

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    A lesson to be learned. Don't shoot at the police. Very bad form and normally very bad ending.

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    Sorry "dad45acp", I dont agree with you when you say LE actions are a result of BG's actions. Innocent people are wrongfully searched, detained, beaten, and shot and killed simply because some LE think they can do as they wish simply because they are LE. It happens all the time. I'm saying that was the case here, it could have been, I dont know. Im not giving the old guy a pass simply because he was old. Im saying dont immediately come to LE's defense simply because they are LE.
    I know a lot of good LE, and I've met a lot of bad LE. Don't rush to judgement either way, on either shooters part.
    I will relay an incident that happened to me about two months ago. CPS was called to my house falsely by a neighbor of mine because we were having a dispute. I get a call from my sister-in-law telling me that theres a sherrifs deputy pounding on my door, scaring the hell out of my kids. I rush home, my wife was already there, figuring out what was going on. Talking with the deputy, he starts to berate me and my wife for telling our kids not to open the door for anybody when there is no adult present in the house. I tell him that that is our children's only defense when we are not home, and he says that he has the "right as a deputy to kick in" my door, because he heard people inside and a child crying. My daughter was crying because someone was pounding on the door yelling at them. I told the deputy that anyone other than me kicking in my front door will be shot, regardless of who they are. He got very defensive saying that he has the right to do so if he thinks something going on inside, and I told him I have the same right to shoot someone trying to kick in my door, LE or other. He didnt want to acknowledge the fact that there are bad LE, or some bad guy in a uniform trying to gain access to my house and children. I escorted him out of my house, with the county Sherrif on the phone with my, telling both that the next person pounding on my door and threatening to kick it in would be carried away in a body bag, and the Sherrif agreed, on speaker phone. I know the Sherrif and the deputies father, he is my lawyer. The deputy could have been reprimanded for his unlawfull actions, but I declined to press charges against him. Seeing the look on his face as the Sherrif told him I was right was enough.
    So, not all LE actions are justified.

  10. I don't know anything about this situation, but I think the police, in general, could stand to learn some patience. A few years ago, in this area, SWAT went to a home to arrest a suspect. They entered his room, and found him sitting on his bed with a guy to his own head. They immediately opened fire, hitting him something like 26 times. Maybe they thought they were just obliging his wish to commit suicide, but what if the guy was innocent of the charges, but mentally ill? And we never found out if the guy had any accomplices.

    More recently we had police send a dog into a building after a suspect who NOT shot at them. As usual they expected the dog to bite the suspect. What was the suspect to do? He shot the dog to keep from being bitten. And as a result, the SWAT team fired a hail of bullets into the building. No one was going to hurt THEIR dog! Judge, jury and executioner. Now our stupid legislators have made it a felony to hurt a police dog. But it is ok for the police to use deadly force on YOUR dog, if they feel the slightest bit threatened. And they have... by minature poodles.

    Time anf again police will start a high speed chase, risking life and death of the suspect and innocent bystanders rather than call ahead for a road block. Same mentality.

    The old guy probably just needed some time and talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozarkgunner View Post
    Sorry "dad45acp", I dont agree with you when you say LE actions are a result of BG's actions. Innocent people are wrongfully searched, detained, beaten, and shot and killed simply because some LE think they can do as they wish simply because they are LE. It happens all the time. I'm saying that was the case here, it could have been, I dont know. Im not giving the old guy a pass simply because he was old. Im saying dont immediately come to LE's defense simply because they are LE.
    I know a lot of good LE, and I've met a lot of bad LE. Don't rush to judgement either way, on either shooters part.
    I will relay an incident that happened to me about two months ago. CPS was called to my house falsely by a neighbor of mine because we were having a dispute. I get a call from my sister-in-law telling me that theres a sherrifs deputy pounding on my door, scaring the hell out of my kids. I rush home, my wife was already there, figuring out what was going on. Talking with the deputy, he starts to berate me and my wife for telling our kids not to open the door for anybody when there is no adult present in the house. I tell him that that is our children's only defense when we are not home, and he says that he has the "right as a deputy to kick in" my door, because he heard people inside and a child crying. My daughter was crying because someone was pounding on the door yelling at them. I told the deputy that anyone other than me kicking in my front door will be shot, regardless of who they are. He got very defensive saying that he has the right to do so if he thinks something going on inside, and I told him I have the same right to shoot someone trying to kick in my door, LE or other. He didnt want to acknowledge the fact that there are bad LE, or some bad guy in a uniform trying to gain access to my house and children. I escorted him out of my house, with the county Sherrif on the phone with my, telling both that the next person pounding on my door and threatening to kick it in would be carried away in a body bag, and the Sherrif agreed, on speaker phone. I know the Sherrif and the deputies father, he is my lawyer. The deputy could have been reprimanded for his unlawfull actions, but I declined to press charges against him. Seeing the look on his face as the Sherrif told him I was right was enough.
    So, not all LE actions are justified.
    Thanks for your personal story but my point was in regards to a standoff situation which the BG initiates what kind of response ensues. Standoffs can lasts for hours and hours if there isn't an immediate threat. That's why its seemed obvious something drastic changed in this scenario.

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