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    Seems to me anyone that noticed a car trying to run them over would be better served by getting out of the way rather than trying to shoot the driver. Especially since shooting the driver doesn't make the car stop.
    Yet, law enforcement officers do this quite often with success, shooting at a driver that tries to run them over. Shooting and moving do not exclude each other, unless you only strained at a share range with shooting lanes. Shooting the driver makes him stop aiming the car at his intended target and pressing the gas pedal.
    And so do the heroes in the movies. But in the real world with regular folks it would be better to move out of the way instead of trying to make a good shot at a small target, the driver, in a moving car while they themselves are moving out of the way. Not everyone is an uber tactical trained warrior, a cop with a duty to respond, or a movie hero.

    And if a car is close enough to justify making the shot the car is close enough to keep right on coming with no guarantee the now shot, but likely not dead, driver's foot will slip off the accelerator. And if it happens to be a good shot and the driver is dead... dead people don't hit the brakes and stop the car. Just as the best way to survive a gun fight is to not be there when it starts the best way to avoid being run over by a car is to get out of the way.

    And let me emphasize that the duty of the ordinary person isn't to "stop" a driver on a rampage but is merely to avoid being run over by that driver. And in the situation in Charlottesville, at least in my opinion, it would be very unwise to start popping off shots at that moving car because any shots that missed the car, or ricocheted off it, would have hit innocents... some of which saved themselves by getting out of the way only to end up shot by someone who wants to play hero.

    Regardless of how trained a person may be in gun fighting or engaging in practice drills (even on 270 or even 360 degree ranges/shoot houses) the most important skill is knowing when the gun isn't the solution.

    Edited to correct wording....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    And so do the heroes in the movies. But in the real world with regular folks it would be better to move out of the way instead of trying to make a good shot at a small target, the driver, in a moving car while they themselves are moving out of the way. Not everyone is an uber tactical trained warrior, a cop with a duty to respond, or a movie hero.

    And if a car is close enough to warrant making the shot the car is close enough to keep right on coming with no guarantee the now shot, but likely not dead, driver's foot will slip off the accelerator. And if it happens to be a good shot and the driver is dead... dead people don't hit the brakes and stop the car. Just as the best way to survive a gun fight is to not be there when it starts the best way to avoid being run over by a car is to get out of the way.

    And let me emphasize that the duty of the ordinary person isn't to "stop" a driver on a rampage but is merely to avoid being run over by that driver. And in the situation in Charlottesville, at least in my opinion, it would be very unwise to start popping off shots at that moving car because any shots that missed the car, or ricocheted off it, would have hit innocents... some of which saved themselves by getting out of the way only to end up shot by someone who wants to play hero.

    Regardless of how trained a person may be in gun fighting or engaging in practice drills (even on 360 degree ranges/shoot houses) the most important skill is knowing when the gun isn't the solution.
    Cops do not have a duty to respond! I train with cops and the average cop is not a good shooter. I do train and practice shooting on the move and at moving targets. It certainly is not like in the movies and you are accountable for every bullet you fire. This isn't about playing hero. This is about saving lives if a situation and opportunity arises.

    There is no black and white here. The choice depends on the situation. In the situation at the rally, most people would not have even had the time to draw their gun. That's why every training class I go to trains shooters to GET OFF THE X! That applies to most situations. It doesn't matter if you not draw your gun, if you draw it but not in time, or if you are actually getting a shot off. If you don't move, you are a nice stationary target. M.O.V.E. = motionless operators ventilate easily. Shooting and moving do not exclude each other, unless you only trained at a square range with shooting lanes.

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    I repeat:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
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    Regardless of how trained a person may be in gun fighting or engaging in practice drills (even on 270 or even 360 degree ranges/shoot houses) the most important skill is knowing when the gun isn't the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    I repeat:
    No need to repeat something I agree with.

  6. Obviously yes...a car could certainly cause serious bodily injury or death.

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