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  1. #31
    i would start retreating with me between my family and the mob. i would not draw unless the attack seemed fatal. 50 to 1 or 2 is bad odds. if you killed a teen, espescially a non-gun carrying (note i did not say unarmed) kid. you better be prepared for all types of retaliation, criminal, civil and late night because the rest will find out where you live. better to fight another day. help the cops find them and accept what the law deals out and your lumps. better than losing a wife or child.
    "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not" Thomas Jefferson

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by p8re8 View Post
    i would start retreating with me between my family and the mob. i would not draw unless the attack seemed fatal. 50 to 1 or 2 is bad odds. if you killed a teen, espescially a non-gun carrying (note i did not say unarmed) kid. you better be prepared for all types of retaliation, criminal, civil and late night because the rest will find out where you live. better to fight another day. help the cops find them and accept what the law deals out and your lumps. better than losing a wife or child.
    50 to 1 or 2 is bad odds? I'd say that is a little under stated. "...unless the attack seemed fatal..." May I ask at what moment in this particular incident one would think it seems fatal?


    They said it started when one teen, without any words or warning, blindsided and assaulted Marshall's friend as he stood outside with the others.
    That is the moment I would draw and fire. No warning, no order to "Stop" or "Get back". One guy swinging with 49 of his friends watching, that is instant fear for my life or my friends life. He gets the first bullet, and the next one to come closer gets the next bullet.

    The possibility of losing my gun or retaliation isn't a factor at that moment. If I have to choose between not pulling/shooting and getting the life beaten out of me, or pulling/shooting and possibly getting shot with my own gun, I'll take the odds of pulling and shooting. As for retaliation, I just might end up having to leave town, or even the state. Again, I'll accept that if it means saving my or my friends life.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  4. #33
    Pull it until it clicks! Reload and do it again if need be.

    Sounds to me like the punks just lucked up on the perfect group of unsuspecting Innocent people.

    I suspect, if they happened to get the wrong group, i.e. Sheepdogs, a few of those little G's would've lost their lives that night.
    When seconds count, the LEO's are only minutes away...

  5. First avoid if at all possible. If not, send the family to the safest location while while you're the rear guard, preferably not in-line with your family's retreat. Why? Probably a good chance some brave little gangster will stick a gun out of the crowd and if he fires at you, your family's in the line of fire. If the group continues to advance once you've pulled your weapon and gave them a verbal warning, they're targets.

  6. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by p8re8 View Post

    ... I would start retreating with me between my family and the mob. I would not draw unless the attack seemed fatal.
    Definitely a tough scenario to envision and not one I think any of us hope to face. But, these sorts of things can and do happen. I agree, one must make that split-second assessment as to whether a situation requires the use of deadly force or not.

    My wife and I found ourselves in a similar situation in 2006, leaving the Arlington Parks Mall, when about a dozen black kids harassed us. I say a dozen—to be truthful, there were a dozen there—but, there was really only one that genuinely wanted a fight, and two or three others who were willing to half-heartedly commit in an attempt to act tough.

    After making the split-second assessment and reading the situation, I did not feel our lives were threatened. It was not a pleasant experience, but it did not warrant the use of deadly force.

    These kids were not gang-bangers—they were black affluent teens who fancied themselves ghetto! I put myself between my wife and the more aggressive one and deescalated the situation by speaking to the eight or nine other kids who (I sensed) did not want trouble. I simply said, “This won’t end happy if your buddy doesn’t settle down.”

    Homey’s buddies started pulling him back and admonishing him to, "knock it off man, you’re gonna get us in trouble!" With a little bit of persuasion, Homey backed down and the posse moved on. My wife and I, continuing to track the group, made our way to our Tahoe and continued on our way home.

    BUT, this Akron group of 50 seemed bent on beating someone that night. I would argue that for every scenario you face, there will always be a number of ways in which you can respond. It is important to keep a clear head and not panic with a knee-jerk reaction! But, you might not always be able to retreat, especially if a group (like this one) is intent on harming someone.

    If an individual or a mob begins threatening the lives of innocents, I’m going to take steps to eliminate the threat (or, 50 threats as the case may be!). And, if I draw, I'm shooting... if they keep coming… I’m shooting until I’m out of ammo! The end result would be 27 lead souvenirs given out to a good number of the party!

    Quote Originally Posted by p8re8 View Post

    ... If you killed a teen, you better be prepared for all types of retaliation.
    With regards to retaliation, I recognize that is a very real possibility. But, according to the article, the Marshalls already say, “they fear retaliation at home or when they go outside.”

    Fear of retaliation cannot be a consideration in the moment of that split-second assessment. That thought of hesitation might be the difference between you successfully exercising your right of self defense or your simply becoming another homicide statistic!

    Do I fear loss of life and/or great bodily harm? If I do, I’m going to exercise my right to self defense and do whatever it takes to STOP the threat!
    Blessed be my God, my mountain, who trains me to fight fair and well! Psalm 144 (msg)
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  7. The Marshalls say they fear retaliation at home or when they go outside. They are considering arming themselves, but they're concerned about the possible problems that come with guns.

    Umm, you were standing somewhere minding your own business, what problems can a gun cause at this point?
    Get good training, follow the law and protect your family, because YOU should know better than anyone that the Police won't be there to save you.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  8. This is why I carry a Glock on duty 52 rounds of 9mm. I'm not saying I could have taken all of them because well i couldn't have, I probably wouldn't have been able to swap mags before they took it from me. However, I refuse to be a victim of a criminals mercy.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  9. #38
    i belive people who become part of a mob are cowards who wouldn't do the the stuff thier doing alone. if u shoot the first couple of people out in front of the mob the rest would scatter like cockaroaches.

  10. I would put myself between them and my family and tell them to run the second I draw. This way they can put distance between themselves and the thugs. As for me, once I draw, I will fire and keep fireing as long as they keep coming towards me or until Im empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    The "White Power" nut jobs will have a field day with this. What i don't get is where is Rev Jesse Jackson Or Al Sharpton? Had this been a group of 50 white teens on a black family they would show up like Crap flies on freshly found crap. We would see this being called a hate crime and a demand for the police to do something. We would see marches in the streets and so on. Things like this just add wood to the fire.
    You hit the nail on the head right there. We had a situation out here in Kansas City recently where a Mother and Daughter * White * where driving home from an event when two car loads of rival black people open fire on each other on the highway catching the Mother and Daughter in the cross fire and killing the both. It made national news, but no rallies, no Al or Rev. Jesse on the podium talking about racism and wrongful death. Let the roles be reversed and you wouldn't hear the end of it from the NAACP, Jesse or Al. Something doesn't compute there.
    I'm not sure how the third world war will be fought, but I do know how the fourth will....with rocks.

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