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  1. #11
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    I'm all for identifying your target and, if possible, what’s behind it. Even at home there is a difference in identifying your target and yell/screaming/ect. Also, you don't always have to make visual contact to identify a threat. If you wake to a bump in the night, know the only other person that should be in the house is in the room with you, announce, rack a shotgun, and the BG still attempts to make entry into your room. It's safe to say you have identified he's a threat.

    I live alone so best case scenario:
    I'm in the bedroom and hear someone in the house. I grab the shotgun (next to the bed) and lock the door. Then pick up the cell phone and call 911. Then rack the 12 gauge and announce. I'm going to guess must of the time the BG is not going to hang around after he hears a shotgun rack. Lol, I heard one time the best way to identify a threat is to rack a shotgun. If he’s friendly he’ll let you know, quickly!!

    If I'm not in bed yet there is normally a gun close by and all the doors locked. If someone forces there way in, there is no warning, I go for the gun, stop the threat, and call 911.
    "When Government fears the people, it's liberty. When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
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    alright since this came up and I already said to use a flashlight and ID the noise before shooting, heres my question...What do you guys think of the whole giving up your position argument with a flashlight? If you have a very bright LED light (which I do) which is pretty much blinding (and it is) would it be a good idea to get the light directly in the BG's face, disorientate him, and if needed save your life by shooting?
    Or, do you guys think it's better to (I saw this in some show about concealed carry) briefly flash your light as youre moving from one room to the other, so If someone is in that room they can be identified, but then you wont have light to find your target when the shooting starts?

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    This is a big issue where we are right now. We have had massive amounts of break ins at mid day even. We the only warning the BG gets here is a boom boom boom and severe burning in his center mass. We have many very elderly folks that live around us and my wife and I both feel that it is our obligation to keep the trash from getting into their houses and doing them harm. They will not leave this house breathing, especially with the revolving door our PD has. He'd be back here the next night if he gets taken away in cuffs. It's amazing how often I lose my phone.....especially with all the shooting and him hollerin....for a little while.

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Comp_sH00tEr24 View Post
    alright since this came up and I already said to use a flashlight and ID the noise before shooting, heres my question...What do you guys think of the whole giving up your position argument with a flashlight? If you have a very bright LED light (which I do) which is pretty much blinding (and it is) would it be a good idea to get the light directly in the BG's face, disorientate him, and if needed save your life by shooting?
    Or, do you guys think it's better to (I saw this in some show about concealed carry) briefly flash your light as youre moving from one room to the other, so If someone is in that room they can be identified, but then you wont have light to find your target when the shooting starts?
    There's so many variables that can be added to the scenario that it makes it difficult to accurately describe how one would react to the invasion. I'm a big advocate for ID first and evaluate the threat level. If the attacker is unarmed and you kill him, regardless if your right or wrong, you stand a better chance of being brought before a Grand Jury and there goes the Bank account. Depending on the state you live in and the laws governing the Stand you Ground/ Castle, and property defense, you'll most likely be cleared of any charges, but I say depending on the threat level, you could've avoided that all together.

    I've seen it somewhere, but can't remember where. Some statistic said that last year a gun was used in a robbery 2 million times. It also said over half the invasions were stopped by the presence of another gun in the home without a single shot being fired.

    I'm not sayin I like the odds, but it's clear that just blasting away isn't always the best way to protect your family. One thing just stands out for me when I hear some folks say, "I'd shoot period!". What if there's more than one intruder, and he's in another part of the house that you're unaware of? You engage the first target and the other gets the drop on you? Bang you're dead. I can only speak for myself, but this is how I would protect my family in the event of a home invasion in the middle of the night.

    I wake to window or door being broken. I grab my .40 G23 and my Cell phone. I make sure to wake my wife. I give her the phone and tell her to secure herself in a corner of the room that is tactfully safe to line of fire, and call the police, we are being attacked. While she's taking care of the that I move quietly to secure other family members to the safety of the my wife's location. I then position myself between the intruder or intruders and my family and wait behind a solid covered position until the police arrive. IF, anyone approaches my path and they have not Identified themselves as Police officers, they'll here one command. STOP! I have a weapon and I will defend my family. If they run Good! If they make any movement that I think to be hostile. Well, I'll carry out the command I shouted at um.

    Every situation is different, but the key is to play certain scenarios out in your head as if they could really happen and discuss um with your family, so you are all on the same page in the event something terrible happens. It's gotta go much deeper than just. "If they're in my house they're dead". Depending on the very situation the one ending up dead could be you or a family member. Stay safe folks! Cheers
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    Important to note the difference between "warning" and "identifying"--I will not shoot a target that I have not identified as a threat--e.g., someone is stumbling around my house at night, it might be my wife or one of my kids; I will identify more clearly first. BUT, once I identify the threat, if I am in fear of my life or of great bodily harm to me or to my family, the only warning will be the muzzle flash and loud noises emanating from the barrel of my gun.

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    Hey y'all: When I think about my procedures should someone be in my home at night, I will use a bright flashlight with LED shining at the locked door to my bedroom at shoulder/face height. I have a mat positioned on my side of the door that will "jam" the door even if the lock is broken or forced open; I will be located to the side of the door on its opening side and not in any way in line with the flashlight. Someone sticks their little pinky into the opening, after listening to the racking of a shotgun and an announcement of same, will be shot. It is only my wife and I and no children so no one else will be in the house except for the obvious home invasion perp. Castle doctrine in SC will be the final piece to the puzzle. Someone asked me about the "life changing experience". I answered that there are two life changing events 1) the perp's life has changed forever and 2) I will have to buy new bedroom carpet and repair a door jam

  8. #17

    No alarm is too expensive to protect you and your family.

    I have an alarm that I can set for "instant on" at night. My four dogs, and that alarm will wake me from sleep, so that no one will sneak in and be standing over me while I sleep.

    With that said it is just me, and the wife (she's armed as well), so I have no one else to consider as friendly. If my alarm goes off, who ever presents themselves will get shot at. I also don't have to worry about calling 911. It automatically dials out to the alarm company. If you own a house I suggest you also get a radio transmitter back-up, in case they cut the phone line.

    BTW, a mexican gang has been conducting midnight raids on homes here in Phoenix, dressed as police SWAT, with AR-15s and other weapons. Don't be fooled.
    A citizen who shirks his duty to contribute to the security of his community is little better than the criminal who threatens it.

  9. #18
    If you are lucky enough to live in a caslte doctrine state you are not legally required to warn the intrudor, but if you shoot someone in the back in tx it makes it alot harder prove for the investigation. My friend is now houston pd, he states, "Yell hey you, when they get 3/4 of the way around pull the trigger" though you should call the police as soon as you think there is an intruder looks better to a jury. also remember not to use your 1911 with the laser and flashlight with a 20 rd mag and punisher skull grips.
    1st Call the police, if little time is available dial 911 put phone in your pocket
    2nd grab your firearm, and flashlight or combination thereof
    3rd locate intruder with light off
    4th turn on light while yelling "Hey you Stop!!"
    5th as the bad guy turns most of the way you get get A, Identification and B. a nice clear shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huklberyhound View Post
    This is a big issue where we are right now. We have had massive amounts of break ins at mid day even. We the only warning the BG gets here is a boom boom boom and severe burning in his center mass. We have many very elderly folks that live around us and my wife and I both feel that it is our obligation to keep the trash from getting into their houses and doing them harm. They will not leave this house breathing, especially with the revolving door our PD has. He'd be back here the next night if he gets taken away in cuffs. It's amazing how often I lose my phone.....especially with all the shooting and him hollerin....for a little while.

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    ALWAYS remember that your "shoot" will be reviewed by a prosecutor and possibly a jury that may consist of fellow citizens who are very, very different from you with very, very different opinions. You must do everything you can to have your situation play out in the most defensible manner you can possibly take. The law may say you do not have to retreat, but if you are aggressive in your actions, it does not necessarily look good before a jury. The Myrtle Beach case recently discussed in these threads is an example. The CC guy, who was approached by the eventual victim and punched, should never have gotten out of his car--he could have retreated and driven away instead of the "macho-lets see what you got" attitude. As it turned out he declared himself guilty by driving away AFTER he shot and killed the guy and now faces manslaughter. In your home, a call to 911 before you do anything is certainly a good start and anything you can do to avoid the confrontation is also a good idea--these are the facts that will play our before a jury regardless of how strongly you feel about the castle doctrine. Easier said than done if you have children in other parts of the house but if it is just you or you and wife in bedroom, your insurance can take care of things if the perp leaves before the PD come. If the perp wants to come into your locked bedroom, now it is a "fear for your life" scenario and all bets are off.
    Just my thoughts--to each his own and may we always be able to talk about this stuff and never have to act on any of it.

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