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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by surfcc View Post
    Glad I don't frequent establishments like this.
    No ****.

    Life style play's a vital role in your health and welfare. I'm not saying that I do not got out for a few drinks with friends, family and loved ones at times, but If I don't like the area or the establishment, it's a good bet that I'm not going to meet you for that drink or two or three.

    However, I do want the right to be able to defend myself appropriatley if something like this should arise. I'm baffled as to why those men are still engaging when outside of the doorway ?? I wasn't there, so I don't know if their continued fireing was warranted due to a continued threat.

    After all, there is no guarantee that even the poshest establishments are crime proof.

    Just my .02
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Ropadope View Post
    No ****.

    Just my .02
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1611mac View Post
    the whole thing looks like two gangs shooting it out (and poorly at that) a drug deal gone bad.......


    I agree. IMO, that video certainly does NOT present a case for the benefits of the armed citizen. First, you can't tell teh good guys from teh bad guys. Second, it looks what the anti-gunners describe as "a return to wild west".

    bill

  5. #14
    Most young street thugs are poor marksmen and incompetent handlers of firearms. They carry semi-autos in their waistbands with the hammer cocked and shoot themselves in the leg or worse. They aim by holding the gun sideways and over their head. Many of the guns they use are the kind people on this board would not lower themselves to fire. Guns blow up in their faces because they have loaded the wrong ammo. And the street shooters also think entirely differently from people who have been acculturated into anything close to the mainstream of society. The fact that many thousands of them get blown away annually over trivial disputes is an indication of how utterly inept they are in life. Most of them routinely use drugs, too, which further constrains their already distorted cognitive functioning.

    Their favorite pastime is committing the stupidest crimes in the world—impulsive, unplanned, highly dangerous, often videotaped armed robberies in which they risk long prison sentences for hundred-dollar scores. Invariably they wind up dead or in prison.

    You want to encounter these people about as much as you want to meet a pack of rabid dogs. They relish violence and don't consider the consequences; they do not make rational decisions. Anyone with any brains will stay away from places where he might encounter them. Unfortunately, in most large U.S. cities there are hundreds if not thousands of such people. The one ameliorating factor is that they usually have a difficult time functioning outside their familiar environment.

    That being said, about 10 years ago some armed New York City thugs, apparently unaware of the city's strict gun laws, held up a McDonald's late at night, ordered the employees into the back room, made them kneel, and shot each one in the head. Five young men and women died, and eventually the perps were caught and sentenced to watch TV and play cards for many years.

    In a more recent case, this time in Alabama, armed thugs (I think it was three) held up a fast-food place, took the cash in the register, and made the patrons hand over their wallets and purses. But when they ordered everyone into the back room, a man who had already given up his wallet opened fire with his licensed handgun, took the thugs down, and undoubtedly saved several innocent lives, including his own. Notice that this citizen was willing to let the thugs get what they wanted if doing so prevented violence, but he was smart enough to know what was coming when they ordered him to the back room. He certainly benefited from the fact that he was able to think about the situation before blasting away, and he took the thugs down in their order of priority.

    In New York City, he would have been prosecuted for possessing an illegal gun, though probably not for shooting the thugs, depending on the, uh . . . politics of the situation. Don't laugh—it's happened.

    This is why we carry. Not to right wrongs. Not to travel to Newark and walk around hoping to administer justice. It is so that when we're ordered into that back room, we have a fighting chance.

  6. I would guess there were a lot more guns than CC permits in this crowd. IMHO this is a classic example of the need for CC permits.

    >>>Ropeadope I think you missed the boat on this. You said you were confused about the people outside who continued to fire their weapons. You wondered if they perceived a continuing threat. In fact, THEY were the threat.

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by JRI View Post
    I would guess there were a lot more guns than CC permits in this crowd. IMHO this is a classic example of the need for CC permits.

    >>>Ropeadope I think you missed the boat on this. You said you were confused about the people outside who continued to fire their weapons. You wondered if they perceived a continuing threat. In fact, THEY were the threat.
    I suppose your right, I didn't have my coffee prior to viewing this video.

    They shouldn't have a problem then with identifying those two numbskulls with enhanced video capabilities and pixel cleaning. Now just to find them.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

  8. #17
    The video should help, but two years ago, a gang of thugs ambushed and killed a student on the campus of Rowan University in Glassboro, NJ, and a convenience store surveillance camera got a very clear picture of the main attacker and the unusual sweatshirt he was wearing. This color picture didn't need any enhancement, either. It was not quite as good as a police mugshot, but it was close.

    Still, even though the reward money has reached the tens of thousands, police still haven't found the guy.

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