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    So, we have been pointing out that the gun-free zones reduce the odds of survivability and heard from those anti's who love to tell you how it will become a bloodbath of crossfire and mis-directed shots. aside from the recent Colorado Springs church shooting example, you should refer them to this story:

    Luke, maybe we should have a section devoted to stories of interest?
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    #2 for the list PLUS 22 more

    In Kentucky this time. Verified on another newspaper site before posting.

    In fact lists all of these incidents and cites the paper running the story. We should double-check though just in case any are false.

    Herald-Tribune, Sarasota, FL
    Driving to work one morning, Jim Povia, of Sarasota, Florida, saw a state trooper with his service pistol drawn, confronting a trio of male suspects during a traffic stop. Povia, a right-to-carry permit holder, pulled over and grabbed his .40 cal. pistol and went to the aid of the officer. The two held the men until backup arrived. The driver of the vehicle was driving with a suspended license and a gun was found in the rear of the vehicle. The three men were charged with felony weapons possession.

    The Post, Houston, TX
    In the finest tradition of armed citizens who take on crime in their communities, Texan Travis Neel helped save a wounded Harris County deputy sheriff's life. Witnessing the shooting by one of a trio of Houston gang members after a traffic stop just west of Houston, Neel--who was on his way to his pistol range--pulled his gun and fired, driving the officer's assailants away. An off-duty sheriff's deputy also came on the scene and joined Neel in covering the deputy, whose life was saved by his body armor. The trio was captured after a manhunt.

    The Bulletin, Norwich, CT
    While the situation ended without incident, armed citizen Michael Acree stood ready to lend a hand when a police officer stopped a carload of unruly teenagers outside his Salem, Connecticut, home. Noticing the youths scuffling with the officer, Acree retrieved his pistol and went out onto his lawn. When the youths saw Acree and his handgun, they calmed down and the situation ended peaceably. Acree earned the appreciation both of town officials and the officer.

    The Daily Commercial, Leesburg, FL
    Vincent McCarthy wasn't afraid to lend a hand when he noticed a police officer struggling with a man and woman at the side of the road. He tried to help subdue the man who was kicking the officer in the face. Despite McCarthy's warnings, when the man pressed his assault, the tour boat captain shot him once in the leg with a pistol he is licensed to carry and stopped the attack. Neither the officer nor McCarthy were seriously injured.

    The Observer, Charlotte, NC
    A North Myrtle Beach, N.C., citizen was credited by the city's public safety director with possibly saving the life of Police Officer Richard Jernick. Jernick had pulled over a suspected bank robber's car after a chase, when the suspect charged the cruiser and pointed a gun at the officer, who was still behind the wheel. At that point authorities said, the robbery suspect saw that James Beach, a semi-retired electrician who had joined the pursuit, had a pistol pointed at him. Startled, the robber ran for his car, and Officer Jernick was able to shoot and wound him.

    The Star-Banner, Ocala, FL
    When a drug-trafficking suspect fleeing a state police traffic stop ran through an Ocala, Fla., campground, he was spotted by the manager. Leonard Hicks armed himself and held the man at gunpoint for pursuing officers. An officer later commented, We wouldn't have caught the suspect if it hadn't been for him.

    The Valley Daily News, Renton, WA
    The armed man who intended to rob a Renton, Wash., gunshop should have been forewarned by the police cruiser he had to walk past to enter the store, and the uniformed officer standing just inside the door. Belatedly noticing the policeman, the would-be robber began shooting at him. The officer and a store clerk armed with a semi-auto pistol returned fire, fatally wounding the man.

    The Press-Herald, Minden, LA
    During a drug arrest in Webster Parish, La., a sheriff's deputy and a state trooper found themselves struggling with their two suspects. But four citizens observed the battle and, armed with shotguns, they came to the officers' aid--enabling them to make the arrests.

    The Chronicle, San Francisco, CA
    Dave Storton, a San Jose, Calif., police officer, was doing off-duty security work at an apartment complex when two burglars knocked the officer down and attempted to grab his revolver. During the struggle, one of the assailants bit off part of Storton's ear, but the two attackers were run off by an apartment resident who came to the rescue, armed with a shotgun.

    The Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City, OK
    Miami, Okla., motel owner Oba Edwards witnessed two policemen struggling with a man they were attempting to arrest and saw the man wrest away one officer's revolver, shoot and kill him. Edwards armed himself and fired a shot that allowed the remaining officer to recover his partner's revolver and fatally wound the attacker. The dead man was on probation for assault of a Texas police officer.

    The Morning Herald, Hagerstown, MD
    Police officer Chris Haldeman entered a Chambersburg, PA gold and silver exchange to arrest a suspect in a stolen property case, but the man resisted and a struggle ensued. The 220-lb. suspect had Haldeman pinned to the ground and was choking him when storekeeper Ken Cummings pulled his pistol and shot the officer's attacker in the leg. The man, a known felon, managed to escape, and Det. Haldeman was treated at a local hospital and released.

    The Morning News, Dallas, TX
    A stolen car bearing three escaped convicts was stopped on a Kansas highway by a state trooper. When the officer ordered the men from the vehicle, they sped away. With the trooper in pursuit, the escapees crashed in the town of Gorham; two were captured as they crawled free of the wreckage. The third convict attempted to flee on foot, only to be collared by several onlookers who had secured rifles from their pickups at the trooper's call for assistance.

    The Times-Tribune, Corbin, KY
    Corbin, Ky., motel operator Ray Miracle came upon state trooper James Phelps attempting to subdue two drunken occupants of a stopped auto and, carrying his revolver, went to the officer's aid. At that point, another car stopped and one of two men inside levelled a gun on Trooper Phelps. Seeing Miracle's drawn gun, however, they hastily drove off. Kentucky State Police rewarded Miracle with their highest civilian honor.

    The Post, Houston, TX
    Ralph Festavan watched as a heroin peddler attacked a Shreveport, La., policeman and grabbed the officer's gun. Festavan ran to the patrol car parked nearby and got a shotgun with which he shot and killed the pusher.

    The Times-Union, Rochester, NY
    Dennis Koch was putting storm windows on his fiancee's house when he observed a youth run into nearby woods. He passed the information on to a police officer who stopped by minutes later and told Koch he was searching for a burglary suspect. He gave Koch permission to assist him. Carrying his pistol, for which he has a permit, Koch found the youth hiding and held him in custody until the officer could place him under arrest.

    The Memphis Press-Scimitar, Memphis, TN
    A Missouri state trooper had been shot three times by two armed robbery suspects when armed citizen Robert Riley of Tiptonville, Tenn., rushed to his aid. Riley fired a small caliber pistol at the assailants until they surrendered. The law officer was then rushed to a hospital.

    Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, Ontario, CA
    Inland Valley, California, Humane Society officer Amy Murillo, 27, was responding to a local resident's pleas when she attempted to call off a vicious dog. But the animal turned on Murillo, jumping at her and causing her to fall against her vehicle. She suffered several bites to the head and chest from the crazed animal. Witnessing the young officer's plight, the resident who had summoned her help returned the favor by running to his house and retrieving a handgun. The dog then turned on the man who shot twice, killing it.

    The Daily Facts, Redlands, CA
    Redlands, California, sheriff's deputies credited an armed citizen with helping them capture four men and two juveniles who had just robbed a convenience store and pointed a gun at a plain clothes police officer as they made their initial getaway. Following a short chase all the suspects were captured. “One of the guys was detained at gunpoint by a resident who really helped us," Sheriff's Sgt. Bobby Phillips said. "He kept him there on the ground until we got there."

    The Review Courier, Alva, OK
    Things had turned ugly for Oklahoma Highway Patrol Officer Rick Wallace. He had found marijuana on a speeder, but was overpowered by the man before he could cuff him. Passerby Adolph Krejsek witnessed the altercation and came to the rescue, using his own firearm to help the trooper control the suspect. After helping subdue the assailant, Krejsek used the injured trooper's radio to call for help.

    Associated Press, IN
    In Indianapolis 17-year-old Gerald Watson stood near a policeman who questioned a robbery suspect when the suspect's accomplice appeared on the scene and shot the officer down. Watson, who had taught marksmanship at the YMCA, grabbed the fallen policeman's service revolver and shot the felon dead.

    UPI, AL
    In Saraland, Ala., the berserk husband of a woman charged with possession of illegal whisky killed one police officer and wounded another but, as he tried to make his escape, was shot dead by Carlos McDonald, the proprietor of a nearby shop.

    UPI, AL
    Two gunmen kidnapped an Eclectic, Ala., town policeman and used the officer to gain admittance to the home of Carl Ray Barker in the early morning hours. Barker, an Eclectic banker, was taken by one gunman into town to open the bank's vault, his wife, child, and the town policeman being held hostage by the armed companion pending a safe return from the bank. When the time-vault resisted opening, the gunman returned Barker to his house and, after some debate, took the policeman away with him to get tape for binding all hostages until morning, when another attempt was to be made on the vault. Barker, now held in his home with wife and child by the second armed man, asked if he could make coffee. The robber assented and Barker put water on the stove and got it boiling. "I took the scalding water to the living room," said Barker. "When he held his cup, I just poured the water in his face and grabbed his gun." Barker pistol-whipped the robber into submission, loaded a shotgun and waited for the return of the other bandit. When the door opened, the captive policeman dived out of the way and Barker killed the would-be bank robber with two blasts. Barker said he feared for his family's safety and, "I didn't want my bank to get a bad name about being robbed."
    Last edited by ecocks; 12-20-2007 at 09:34 AM.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    Don't forget

    the one in Baton Rouge, LA where the bystander shot the guy who was struggling with the police officer on the ground.
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    And you'll LOVE this one

    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    Tragic but

    no innocent bystanders killed in a deadly hail when one courageous civilian stepped into the breach...

    Tacoma Mall Shooting, again the civilian goes down (he lived depite taking 5 bullets) but where is that fusilade of panicked gunfire from the crazed concealed carrying gun fanatic the anti's keep predicting?
    Reality, DEAL with IT!

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    Nice stuff thanks for posting. I guess it's obvious we permit holders are not trained well enough to be let out of the house with a loaded gun.

    Seriously though, It's inspiring to read such stories of bravery. Thanks again.

    The only person available to protect you 24 hours a day is you.

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    Florida,Port Richey
    Quote Originally Posted by ecocks View Post
    Thanks for sharing these stories.The wal-mart in this particular story is only minutes from my house.It sounds like the sentiment from the wal- mart employee that spoke to the news doesn`t think people should carry or need to carry guns in their store,but the store doesn`t post any signs.i know i always carry when i am in their stores.

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    Sep 2007
    Drakes Creek, AR
    The Wal-Mart attack of the two Ex's was caught on the security cameras and I seen it on youtube..pretty dramatic stuff...Thumbs UP for Mr Moore and his CCW.
    Drakes Creeks, AR
    "A gun unloaded and cocked aint good for nuttin!"--Rooster Cogburn

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    Dec 2007
    NW New Mexico
    Thanks for the comprehensive posts. "That scared the c--- out of me, that anyone would have a gun in the store ..." seems to be a common reaction to the self defense use of a weapon in a crisis situation. The all to frequent attitude towards CCW seems to be based mainly on ignorance and a LOT of bad press. The store attitude of "don't do anything, we are all friends here" seems a little obtuse to me. I guess one of the best things that the "carry folks" have going, is the best record possible to be good citizens, do what is necessary when TSHTF. I'm sure we will always have an uphill argument for self defense, because so much of the public seem unable to "get it". I wish some one could show me differently.

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    Dec 2007
    Reading some of those encounters and trying to put myself in that place, I would be very hesitant to approach a LEO in the midst of an arrest/struggle for fear he would assume I was another bad guy.

    I live in a somewhat small town. This morning, about 4:30, I passed on of our local officers making a stop of some sort. As I approached, I could see a man who had "assumed the position" at the rear of the vehicle so it looked like something more than just a speeding ticket. No one else around besides crickets and frogs. I would imagine the officer would have appreciated some backup, but I'm also thinking that me stopping to ask if he wanted help would have just made him more nervous.

    Same goes for the Tyler, Texas deal. I would have been afraid the cops would assume me to be a second shooter rather than backup. On the other hand, I think if I were carrying at the Omaha mall, I would have dropped the dude. For some reason the police make me more nervous than armed citizens.
    Last edited by daddyo; 12-21-2007 at 07:37 AM.

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