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    This is BS. The police are claiming that a forensic guy can analyze a bullet and Identify which gun it came out of, but they can't look at a new barrel and confirm that the gun hasn't been fired?


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    Gun owner says police violating his rights
    By Andrew Barksdale
    Staff writer


    George Boggs thought he was doing police a favor last week when he handed over the firearm he kept in his car after he was in a wreck.

    Boggs has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and he wanted his handgun secured while he went to the hospital, he said. The permit requires him to notify police of his weapon.

    On Monday, when he went to the Fayetteville Police Department to retrieve his gun, he couldn't get it back. He was told that police first wanted to fire the gun to see if the spent shell casing and round would match data in a nationwide ballistics inventory used to solve crimes.

    The gun is scheduled to be test-fired today, he was told.

    Boggs complained to police supervisors that his new gun has never been fired. The ballistics test, he said, would diminish the value of the .45-caliber Taurus Millennium he bought last month for $399 at a local gun store.

    He said the city is violating his Fourth Amendment rights that protect him from unreasonable searches and seizures.

    Police defend their decade-old policy of checking most handguns that come into their custody - no matter the reason - to see if they have been used in a crime. They say public safety outweighs any inconvenience to the owner.

    Boggs said he did nothing wrong. He was not arrested. The gun was not taken from a crime scene. The other driver in the Aug. 14 accident was cited, a police report says.

    "If they can get away with this, then they can get away with other things," he said.

    Boggs, 70, is a retired Army sergeant first class who is running for City Council this fall against incumbent Robert Massey in District 3. He said his fight over the police policy is not politically motivated.

    Sgt. John Somerindyke said in situations such as this, police can't assume a weapon has never been used.

    "We have to be consistent with our policy," he said. "We have had some hits doing this."

    Somerindyke said that since 2003, the ballistics tests have identified 32 guns that were used in crimes in Cumberland County.

    Since 1999, the Police Department has sent most handguns taken into custody to the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office, where the ballistics examination is done free for law enforcement agencies. The information is entered into the Integrated Ballistics Identification System, which is like a database of fingerprints for guns. Shell casings recovered at crime scenes can be matched with guns previously entered into the database.

    Since January, the police agency has sent 331 guns and 315 shell casings and rounds to the Sheriff's Office for testing.

    Boggs said he is talking with officials at the National Rifle Association about his situation. A representative of the NRA could not be reached for comment this week.

    Tiffanie Sneed, the Police Department's lawyer, said the gun-testing policy helps make the community safer. People sometimes buy guns not knowing they have been used in crimes. The weapons are returned to their owners if the tests show they were not used in crimes, she said.

    "Due to the gravity of the subject matter, we don't deviate from this policy, as long as the weapon meets the IBIS criteria," she said.

    Boggs said others with concealed-weapon permits could be less likely to tell police they have a gun, for fear of it being taken and tested.

    According to Debbie Tanna, a Sheriff's Office spokeswoman, all firearms are tested at the factory before being sent to dealers. Bernard Barr, who helps manage Guns Plus in Spring Lake, said he doesn't believe that's true. Some manufacturers don't test weapons before shipping them, he said. That includes the Taurus Millennium model that Boggs bought, he said.

    Barr said firing a new weapon for ballistics doesn't necessarily lower its value.

    Barr said he personally has no qualms with the police testing weapons seized as evidence - but not guns voluntarily surrendered for safe-keeping.

    "It's like taking DNA from every citizen," he said. "Why investigate something that is not a crime? It just doesn't make sense."
    "If it is time to bury your guns, then it is time to dig them up!"

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    I agree that the police did indeed abuse their authority, but I also have to wonder what this guy was thinking just handing his gun over to them. Was there no one else he knew who he trusted enough to keep his weapon until he was ready to get it back?
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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    Cut him some slack, he'd been in an auto accident! Maybe he couldn't get in touch with a friend or family. I do agree that the police behaved badly. Oh! Wait was this in a slave state or a free state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMHunter View Post
    Cut him some slack, he'd been in an auto accident! Maybe he couldn't get in touch with a friend or family. I do agree that the police behaved badly. Oh! Wait was this in a slave state or a free state?
    This was in the Old North state. Sometimes we're free, and sometimes we're not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbass View Post
    This was in the Old North state. Sometimes we're free, and sometimes we're not!
    I'm really disappointed to hear of the events in Fayetteville. I've been here in NC for 20 years and always found it to be genrally very gun-friendly.

    bill

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    What ever happened to probable cause? Guess the 4th amendment is no going down the drain as well. Too many politicians give themselves more power then they are autorized. NRA better help this guy or my money goes elsewhere.

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    What sucks is the guy hasn't even committed a crime, or isn't even a suspect, no kind of reason at all why he should be hassled. It isn't like they saw him in some dark alley acting suspicious or something, If they can do this to him, next they will be coming into your home to record the ballistics on your gun because "We have had some hits doing this." and "We have to be consistent with our policy,"

    Since when does a "policy" trump the constitution?????
    "If it is time to bury your guns, then it is time to dig them up!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by billwot View Post
    I'm really disappointed to hear of the events in Fayetteville. I've been here in NC for 20 years and always found it to be genrally very gun-friendly.

    bill
    Well, we are talking about Fayetteville! There is no place else in the Tar Heel like it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCjones View Post
    What sucks is the guy hasn't even committed a crime, or isn't even a suspect, no kind of reason at all why he should be hassled. It isn't like they saw him in some dark alley acting suspicious or something, If they can do this to him, next they will be coming into your home to record the ballistics on your gun because "We have had some hits doing this." and "We have to be consistent with our policy,"

    Since when does a "policy" trump the constitution?????
    well as of late I would have to say since nobama was allowed in the white house.
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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