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  1. #51
    Referring back to the "Rules of a Gunfight":

    "When in a gunfight, bring a friend with a gun. Bring ALL your friends with their guns."

    It won't be much of a distration because it will be pretty obvious who you are shooting at. Communicating first is a good idea, but if the officer is wounded or pinned down I won't wait for permission first.
    "Gun a Month" Club Member

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  3. I'm rural, seldom visit "civilization," so I know most people hereabouts. For me, if the guy is a good guy I like, I'll help him regardless of whether he's a cop. If he's a sick psycho, I'll stand back and laugh, regardless of whether he's a cop. The uniform does not make him good or bad, any more than my work clothes make me good or bad.

    If it ever happened that I was shopping in "civilization," and I was set upon by goblins and it ended with me standing over a goblin in a pool of blood while holding a hot .45 in my hand (I said "civilization," so S-S-S is not an option), I'd call 911, then make VERY sure I was holding up my left hand wallet with CCW (driver's license in right hand wallet) so responding Officers could see it. And the compartment where my shiny gold Washington Arms Collectors Life Member badge would have "accidentally" come open and uncovered the badge. I'd NEVER pretend to be an Officer, but I'm damned if I'll risk being shot by some trigger happy rookie. We have some winners and some REAL losers in these parts, the worst of which are National Park Rangers and sometimes small town cops.

    In the 21st century Police States of America, "helping" Police can get you into a lot of trouble. Remember, Prosecutors always want to punish someone, it's often secondary whether they punish the right someone.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    Hey guys, I'm a member of another forum and this is a very hot topic lol.

    I'm going to post the exact question posted on the other forum and see what the responses here are like..
    As a officer, and now retired to private citizen i have no legal obligation to take action, once again i don't all the state laws across the country but i don't think a civilian has any legal obligation to lay their life on the line to fight crime.

    Each person has to make their own call, once again TEXT scenarios are great and loads of fun for the sake of discussion. I enjoy them because we can make decisions without the consequences of final results.

    But i'll end with this statement, when and if you decide to take a action with deadly force, remember you own that BULLET... and if you shoot we the best intensions and end up hitting, killing a innocent bystander by way of penetration, ricochet, or being off target, THE LAWSUITS WILL BEGIN... and there's no better motivator than CASH to file a lawsuit. The Police are Bonded by their department...WHOSE BONDING YOU.

    There's nothing more important than you and your family/children, but as a adult with a CCW you'll have to make up own mind at any given moment. Good Luck

  5. Quote Originally Posted by gunsite View Post
    As a officer, and now retired to private citizen i have no legal obligation to take action, once again i don't all the state laws across the country but i don't think a civilian has any legal obligation to lay their life on the line to fight crime.

    Each person has to make their own call, once again TEXT scenarios are great and loads of fun for the sake of discussion. I enjoy them because we can make decisions without the consequences of final results.

    But i'll end with this statement, when and if you decide to take a action with deadly force, remember you own that BULLET... and if you shoot we the best intensions and end up hitting, killing a innocent bystander by way of penetration, ricochet, or being off target, THE LAWSUITS WILL BEGIN... and there's no better motivator than CASH to file a lawsuit. The Police are Bonded by their department...WHOSE BONDING YOU.

    There's nothing more important than you and your family/children, but as a adult with a CCW you'll have to make up own mind at any given moment. Good Luck
    Excellent post.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  6. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    Excellent post.
    Yeah it is. Damn, you just can't do the right thing anymore without worrying about a frickin' lawsuit. Some world we live in.

  7. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    Excellent post.
    Yes, It was... 6 posts, Welcome Gunsite, Good post
    Semper Fi

  8. Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Yeah it is. Damn, you just can't do the right thing anymore without worrying about a frickin' lawsuit. Some world we live in.

    Your right, you can do everything right... and still get sued. We live in a world run by lawyers who've now created a litigation society. I love talking about deadly force scenarios, shootings, and anytime someone may or may not take an action against a aggressor as a CCW person.

    I know my actions and approach to situations have change since being retired and becoming a private citizen. Anything i do with my weapon... is on me, and that changes everything. I realize now my weapon's best shot... my be the one NOT TAKEN.

    On the other hand... if i have no means of escape and i'm in IMMEDIATE fear for my life, I WILL SHOOT.

    When you do go to court its not about what really happened... its not about the truth... ITS ABOUT ONLY WHAT YOU CAN PROVE.

  9. Very good hot topic and commentors!

    If I were in a bank parking lot and I would call 911, tell 911 for more backup polices cover the police officer.
    NRA Life Member

  10. you own that BULLET... and if you shoot we the best intensions and end up hitting, killing a innocent bystander by way of penetration, ricochet, or being off target, THE LAWSUITS WILL BEGIN...
    I think gunsite's observation is very apt. If a cop shoots it out with a felon and takes out an innocent bystander (and by actual body count, police kill ten times as many innocent bystanders each year as private citizens, perhaps because police often arrive after the action begins), the felon will be charged for the death of the bystander the cop hit.

    One thing you can be sure of: If YOU screw up, that Police Dept. is NOT going to come to your aid. They will throw you to the wolves. Yeah, I recall the NRA writeup back in perhaps the early 1970's, when citizen they referred to only as the "deer hunter" took out a badguy at a rest area and saved a Texas Dept. of Public Safety trooper. He got an award, an engraved S&W from DPS, etc. But even then, one Prosecutor wanted to go after him for shooting the perp -- until he was informed there was NO Officer in the entire state who would arrest the man...

    This is 2010. The worst crime you can commit is doing the job the Police believe only they should do. Remember when "Sheriff Joe" Arpaio tried the throw the book at the Reservist who made a citizen's arrest of the Suburban full of illegals who tried to assault him at a rest area? Rape, robbery, murder may be bad, but Doing the Job (cops believe) Only Police Should Do will put you afoul of "Chief Officer's Ego" and it is the Very Worst and most vigorously prosecuted crime of all.

    Nope, I'm not even revealing I have a gun, unless I know that cop, like him, and consider him a friend for whom I'm willing to put my life on the line -- and that has nothing to do with any uniform he may or may not be wearing.
    “The police of a State should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight is the foundation of civil freedom.” Heinlein

  11. Shooting under-fire is a world away from a day at the range.

    In my opinion there isn't a right or wrong response to this. The actual situation would dictate my actions once the officer approved my actions by acknowledging my presence. I would first be his over-watch speaking with 911 giving valuable scene information to the approaching officers.
    Last edited by dps782; 01-24-2010 at 08:16 AM. Reason: title added

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