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    Quote Originally Posted by HootmonSccy View Post
    Don't get the wrong idea.. The First shot should Go for Center mass (the chest area).. It is much harder to miss for you, and much harder for the BG to move.. You are not a Sniper.. Go for the chest..
    I can crack a roughly 12 inch square box at 300 yards with the iron sights on a SKS about 17 out of 20 times.

    I can also put every shot out of my Taurus in a 3 inch shot group at 20 feet.

    I might not officially be a "sniper", but I have 20/10 vision and a real steady hand.

    But I realize that life or death situations create stress, hence the 2 in the chest and one in the head.

    2 to stun and maybe stop the threat, the next one to stop the threat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfling68 View Post
    We are not talking about guarantees, we are talking probabilities. Which is more probable, you get killed by a mugger inside your gated community in the rich neighborhood in which you live, or you get killed while walking through the projects in the middle of the night with $20 haning out of your pockets while wearing Ralph Lauren? Probabilities. Which is more likely to stop someone in their tracks, a hit from a .22 or a hit from a .50? My money is on the .50 every time. I will lose the bet, once in a while, but I will win almost always.
    Yes, a hit from a .22 is better than a miss from a .50 (usually, again probabilites), but a hit from a .50 is better than a hit from a .22. As far as head shots go, the head is a MUCH smaller target than center of mass. If you have the skill, more power to you. But you had better hit right around the nose, as a forhead hit has the possibility of bouncing off.
    As a generality, bigger bullets stop more. We can have the 9mm vs 45 arguements all day, and all bullets are lethal, but bigger bullets stop faster.
    In a SD scenario, I am only interested in guarantees. It's so highly improbable that the BG is going to shoot back after taking one in the head, one can pretty much call it a guarantee.

    I wasn't making an argument about caliber, I was stating the facts about marksmanship vs compensating for lack of it with a larger round.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might View Post
    I can crack a roughly 12 inch square box at 300 yards with the iron sights on a SKS about 17 out of 20 times.

    I can also put every shot out of my Taurus in a 3 inch shot group at 20 feet.

    I might not officially be a "sniper", but I have 20/10 vision and a real steady hand.

    But I realize that life or death situations create stress, hence the 2 in the chest and one in the head.

    2 to stun and maybe stop the threat, the next one to stop the threat.



    In a SD scenario, I am only interested in guarantees. .
    Only guarantees are death & taxes.

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    I guess it comes down to how you intend to protect yourself and your home. If you plan on staying put in one room as the BG comes to you it is hard to beat a shotgun. If you intend to be mobile and go out and clear your home the maneuverability of a much shorter weapon and high capacity magazines gives the handgun the tactical edge. For what it is worth I have a Benelli Nova Tactical in my closet ready to go but it is a Glock 21SF sitting on my nightstand that I anticipate to reach for first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye638 View Post
    I guess it comes down to how you intend to protect yourself and your home. If you plan on staying put in one room as the BG comes to you it is hard to beat a shotgun. If you intend to be mobile and go out and clear your home the maneuverability of a much shorter weapon and high capacity magazines gives the handgun the tactical edge. For what it is worth I have a Benelli Nova Tactical in my closet ready to go but it is a Glock 21SF sitting on my nightstand that I anticipate to reach for first.
    Wise choices. You pretty much have all the bases covered. The shotgun makes a great addition but as an only gun greatly limits your choices.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

  6. #45
    As for a home defense weapon, it's a toss-up between a handgun and a shotgun depending on a lot of things like: how difficult is it to maneuver through your home, are there people sleeping in other rooms, etc...

    But since you stated this is your first gun, I'd go for the handgun because it's a lot more versatile and you can take it with you more easily.

    BTW, I had a S&W Sigma .40 SW40VE and it was the worst gun I've ever fired. It was accurate, but the trigger has a terrible reputation. Mine had a trigger pull in excess of 10 pounds and a real mushy feel. I traded it in after owning it for less than a month. I'd even take a Hi-point over a Sigma. DO NOT buy a Sigma without the opportunity to try it out first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    Only guarantees are death & taxes.
    Ain't that the truth lol.

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    My Glock 27 is what i used until I get to my Moss 500. 12 guage beats all handgun calibers. I've trained with shotgun for years and it's the most versitile home defense weapon you can have. Every home should have one. (we have 2. Wife is pretty good with the 20 guage :) )
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    Shotgun. No question in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    I'm assuming that you're new to firearms in general. If not I apologize.
    I'm assuming that you've never fired a shotgun or a pistol. If not I apologize.
    I'm assuming that you're trying to base your decisions on youtube videos, the media, and forums.

    Again, I apologize for assuming, but its just what I see.

    My best recommendation is for you to take a FIREARMS SAFETY course.
    I'm going to say +1 to what CST said and also recommend a handgun over a shotgun since it's a first gun.

    Shotguns are one of the most non-intuitive weapons there is. Short stroking is moderately easy to do, and it's much harder to clear than a misfeed in a semiauto pistol. I tend to not even realize if I've done a Tap-Rack-Go with my Glock. It just happens.
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    I own 4 handguns and an AR15 but the weapon I'm reaching for first in my home is my 12 gauge. With 3" 00 magnums spitting out 15 pellets a pop I'm not likely to miss even when shooting at a poorly lit target without my glasses.

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