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    Philosophy behind our "reason" for having guns

    I often hear people use the justification for owning/carrying guns as self-defense, the right to defend others, and hunting. All of these are quite valid reasons, of course. However, I am curious about taking another angle on this: what if we begin to more aggressively assert the "because it's our human right" angle as a public reason?

    Basically, this follows from the saying that "the difference between a slave and a free man is that the slave can't have weapons". God makes all people to be equal; none can own another. The right to bear arms is not only a right guaranteed by the US Constitution, it's a divine right guaranteed by God - the same as the right to private property.

    This type of reasoning seems less vulnerable to such variables as crime statistics and having to constantly rejustify gun ownership based on changing times. We shouldn't have to give reasons, because the right to self-defense is a universal right granted to all humanity.

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    This is an interesting view,as well as being no less valid than the other previously stated reasons.I agree that we should also ascert this as well as the others when trying to reason why we should be allowed the possession and use of firearms with those who do not seem to understand.
    This is a very good point you bring up.
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    Natural selection will cull out the idiots.

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    "... self defense is a universal right, granted to all humanity". Not according to the United Nations. Self defense is not recognized by the United Nations, specifically as relates to firearms. It was a shocker to read that spelled out, but I have to confess that I cannot document that. It was to do with the UN attempt to disarm all countries in their latest drive to make everyone safe (sure, you betcha). I should have copied and saved that quote, but did not. If someone else should come across it - please post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailor View Post
    Not according to the United Nations. Self defense is not recognized by the United Nations, specifically as relates to firearms.
    That's not a problem - because I don't recognize the United Nations. :)

  6. In the space of a few months, I've gone from having little interest in firearms and owning none, to having a CFP and owning three. I've been surprised at my sudden interest in all of this, and I think what you're describing has something to do with it. It was all triggered by an invitation to the gun range where I got to try out my dad's friend's impressive arsenal, but it's definitely about more than target shooting. I feel at some fundamental level that we should be secure, and be capable of protecting ourselves, and owning and being competent with guns seems to be by far the best way to accomplish that. This sudden interest has been strange for me, since I'm pretty fresh out of college, live in a pretty safe area, am fairly left leaning, not particularly religious, and I definitely don't have many friends that share this interest. In fact if most of them knew I now sometimes carry, they'd probably think I've gone off the deep end. Ultimately, it feels like a very basic and important right or mindset, one that a lot of people have forgotten or chosen to ignore. That's what I felt like you're getting at with your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTdave View Post
    Ultimately, it feels like a very basic and important right or mindset, one that a lot of people have forgotten or chosen to ignore. That's what I felt like you're getting at with your post.
    Well, what I'm really getting at is this: I've talked to my counterparts of the same people you had mentioned who would "think you had gone off the deep end". I put forth the self-defense argument, and of course they retort with "if no one owns guns, then we don't have to worry" or "have more LEOs/pack a taser" or "your gun is statistically far more likely to kill someone in an accident, than it will ever save anyone in a self-defense situation". Statistically speaking, the last one is probably true (obviously it's not in practice, because no one handles it except me, and I'm fanatically careful).

    Here's the thing, though...even if all the bad guys dropped dead tomorrow, we still have the right to own guns. It's our right, because it's our right and that should be good enough for anyone. It's not necessarily a means to an end, but an end in itself.

    Mainly, I just don't like having to "explain myself", as if they're aliens from outer space. A right doesn't need explaining; it's self-evident, and self-justifying. Maybe next time, I'll ask them...

    "Why do you feel the need to carry around two kidneys? You only need one."

    "Well, because it's mine!"

    "Oh...well, I have a gun for the same reason."

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    Where do our rights come from?

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed


    Of course we don't teach these things in public school any more so most people just don't get it.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    When the Creator is taken away from the equation we have nothing left. Only what the rulers give us. Needles to say we must dig our heals in to protect our freedom.

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    UTdave - not to get cross-wise in this thread - I think it is relevant, but can you give us "shellback gunnies" some idea of where your change of heart comes from? As the OP stated, there is an "inherent right" involved, yet it is not recognized by all too many rational people. If there was some doorway, or concept that was useful to help other "non-believers" of that inherent right to understand it better. I would like to convince some certain folks of what we are talking about, but too many seem to have a closed mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
    I couldn't have said it better myself. :D

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