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  3. Unfortunately people with the most experience sometimes do the most stupidest things, no one is above the LAW or above GUN SAFETY...NO ONE. As an instructor/classroom teacher/range master... you need to be better than everyone else...ALL THE TIME.

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    NRA gun instructor shoots student by accident
    Instructor’s gun goes off, striking student in foot
    Eloísa Ruano González Orlando Sentinel

    12:24 a.m. EST, February 21, 2010

    A gun instructor accidently shot a student in the foot Saturday during an NRA class to receive certification to carry a concealed weapon, Orlando police said.

    Robert Frauman Jr., 50, was taken to Florida Hospital after instructor Michael Phillips' firearm discharged about 11:45 a.m., police said.

    Phillips, 32, could not be reached for comment. The accident happened at Summit Church, located in a former movie theater near he Fashion Square mall.

    The bullet went through a table before it hit Frauman, said Kristy-Lee Lawley, the church's communications director. She said Frauman, a member of the church, was "recovering well" and the bullet didn't break any bones.

    Frauman was one of three students in the class, which was not a church-sponsored event, Lawley said. She said the church offered an upstairs conference room for free after some church members requested to have the class there. Lawley said the church is empty on Saturdays and this was the first class of its kind there.

    "We won't be having anything like that in our church in the future," Lawley said.

    The church with 2,500 members is headed by Pastor Isaac Hunter, son of the Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of the Longwood-based megachurch Northland, A Church Distributed. The churches are not affiliated.

    The NRA has a rule against bringing ammunition into a class, said Tom Wagner, a NRA instructor in Orlando who was not involved in Saturday's shooting. He said the association has "no problem yanking a certification if the rules are being broken."

    This was not the first time something's gone wrong during a gun demonstration in Orlando. In 2004, a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration shot himself in the thigh with a .40-caliber Glock pistol while talking to schoolchildren about gun safety.

    Eloísa Ruano González can be reached at [email protected] or 407-650-6673.

    Lee Paige was the DEA Agent that they're referring to in the story. I specifically recall his statement "I'm the only one in this room professional enough to handle this Glock 40." A very short time later "Boom!"


    DEA Agent Who Shot Self In Foot Sues Uncle Sam - April 11, 2006

    DEA Agent Who Shot Self In Foot Sues U.S.
    Seeks damages for distribution of humiliating gun accident video

    APRIL 11--A Drug Enforcement Administration agent who stars in a popular online video that shows him shooting himself in the foot during a weapons demonstration for Florida children is suing over the tape's release, claiming that his career has been crippled and he's become a laughingstock due to the embarrassing clip's distribution. Lee Paige, 45, blames the video's release on DEA officials in an April 7 federal lawsuit filed against the U.S. government. A copy of the pro se complaint by Paige, a DEA agent since 1990, can be found below. According to the lawsuit, Paige was making a "drug education presentation" in April 2004 to a Florida youth group when his firearm (a Glock .40) accidentally discharged. The shooting occurred moments after Paige told the children that he was the only person in the room professional enough to carry the weapon. The accident was filmed by an audience member, and the tape, Paige claims, was turned over to the DEA. The drug agency subsequently "improperly, illegally, willfully and/or intentionally" allowed the tape to be disseminated. As a result, Paige--pictured above in a still from the video--has been the "target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments" directed at him in restaurants, grocery stores, and airports. Paige, who writes that he was "once regarded as one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA," points to the clip's recent airing on popular television shows and via the Internet as the reason he can no longer work undercover. He also notes that he is no longer "permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations." (5 pages)

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    Complacency has a funny way of teaching folks a new lesson from time to time. That's why show and tell with live ammo is always a bad idea.

    When I was going over loading and unloading my auto with my wife it was with dummy ammo. The same procedure was used with the revolver.

    I'm sure there will be a lawsuit in the works.
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

  6. On the second story, I can't beleive the DEA Agent had live rounds in his gun while in a school doing a demonstration. I would say under any other circumstance he should be loaded and ready in he school, but not for a demo with students.

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  7. I wont own a Glock. Never. It has to lead in ND's by a large margin. And by those who are supposed to know how to handle guns. It has a inherent flaw and the ND,s are the fruit of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micpl View Post
    I wont own a Glock. Never. It has to lead in ND's by a large margin. And by those who are supposed to know how to handle guns. It has a inherent flaw and the ND,s are the fruit of it.
    I've never had a ND with any of my Glock pistols. In fact, never had a ND. Safe gun handling rules minimize the probability of having a ND.

    Your generalizations about Glock pistols is disturbing. Do you have any proof to offer that there is an "inherent flaw" that contribute to the NDs'? Only thing I can think of is the fact that Glock pistols are very popular and there are a lot of them out there. Since there are a lot more Glock pistols in circulation, there is a higher probability of an incident with a Glock then there would be with a Desert Eagle .50AE. Kind of like why there are more accidents on the roads with vehicles manufactured by Honda than they are with vehicles manufactured by Bufori.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however some basis for your opinion would be appreciated.




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    Quote Originally Posted by micpl View Post
    I wont own a Glock. Never. It has to lead in ND's by a large margin. And by those who are supposed to know how to handle guns. It has a inherent flaw and the ND,s are the fruit of it.
    Then you'll want to stay away from XD's, M&P's, and any other's that use the same style firing controls and safeties.
    "When Government fears the people, it's liberty. When people fear the Government, it's tyranny."
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    Then you'll want to stay away from XD's, M&P's, and any other's that use the same style firing controls and safeties.
    Yes, Kimber, you are correct and I agree. BTW I tried a M&P with a mushy trigger that a SO/ROwas rather proud of and didnt like it at all, but the aforementioned safety problems with the Glocks and those others you mention dont sit well with me. It defies all gun rules. But Im over 50, so that may explain part of it. My gut constantly reminds of the rest.

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    If your a firearms instructor you have to obey the rules just like anyone else, NRA is very strict about "zero" live ammo in the classroom - that means for students and instructors. So you have to unload your CCW (put the live ammo in the trunk of your car until after class), if you are going to take that - gun inside the classroom. When you stop following the training rules, you are sure to have an incident.

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