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    I did not mean to excite or accuse anyone for not following safety guidelines jus trying to point out how children do not think like adults. Folks I don't care how well you think you have your children "trained" they will surprise you. I am the father of three and I know. The child in this story started off with a baseball bat and moved on to a knife. The younger one didn't bother to learn from the first "beating" either. There was a babysitter with them so if there had been a gun or some other device the child could have easily gotten it.

    I am a little of a safety fanatic at times and part of it comes from my childhood. You see I had a cousin fall on a piece of broken glass and die from her throat being cut. She was 6 and I was 10 at the time. I still miss her 50 years later. Another cousin was just learning to walk and pulled a pan of hot grease off the stove onto his head. A 14 year old friend of mine was killed when his father "accidently" fired his .22 caliber pistol while showing it off. The home is full of dangers and do not ever ASSUME that your children know better. Guns are just one of the many things to be aware of. The person that says my child would never do that is just ASSUMING that his child wouldn't. Not far from here a few months ago one child got mad at another for eating all the potatoE chips and shot her with a .410 that he got from his father's closet.

    Only yesterday and gentle trained whale grabbed its trainer and killed her. Animals and children do not think like adults should. Lots of adults don't think like adults should. Don't take any unnecessary chances. I grew up in a house with loaded guns behind the bedroom door, a Grandfather that carried a pistol in his left pocket on top of a large roll of money and someway made it to adulthood. When people ask me, "Didn't you do so-and-so when you were young" I answer, "Yes, and that is why it scares me so now".

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    When I was growing up my stepdad always kept the guns locked up where he "THOUGHT" they were safe. He did not realize I had figured out how to unlock and open the safe; UNTIL one day I was showing my friend a revolver and he shot it in the house.
    (Had my stepdad taken the time to show me how to handle the gun, I still would have taken the gun out. But, I would have know how to check to see if it were loaded; AND how to unload it.)

    No matter what all the libtards think, the absolute BEST way to keep kids safe in a house with guns is to TEACH them how to handle a gun; AND show how dangerous a gun can be by taking them "hunting".

    Kids WILL not understand the dangers of a gun by shooting holes in paper. They will not understand what damage being shot can do by shooting watermelons.

    BUT!

    If you take them "Hunting" and let them see an animal killed or (even better) kill an animal themselves, they WILL get a much more clear picture of how a firearm is NOT a toy; AND using one can/will cause PERMANENT harm or death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcox4freedom View Post
    When I was growing up my stepdad always kept the guns locked up where he "THOUGHT" they were safe. He did not realize I had figured out how to unlock and open the safe; UNTIL one day I was showing my friend a revolver and he shot it in the house.
    (Had my stepdad taken the time to show me how to handle the gun, I still would have taken the gun out. But, I would have know how to check to see if it were loaded; AND how to unload it.)

    No matter what all the libtards think, the absolute BEST way to keep kids safe in a house with guns is to TEACH them how to handle a gun; AND show how dangerous a gun can be by taking them "hunting".

    Kids WILL not understand the dangers of a gun by shooting holes in paper. They will not understand what damage being shot can do by shooting watermelons.
    BUT!

    If you take them "Hunting" and let them see an animal killed or (even better) kill an animal themselves, they WILL get a much more clear picture of how a firearm is NOT a toy; AND using one can/will cause PERMANENT harm or death.
    They tried to do away with the violence on TV so when the A-Team came on they never could hurt anyone. The could fire 967 bullets and the car would roll over 5 times but the BG's would come out unhurt wit their hands up. Kids thought that was the way it could happen. I am all for showing the actual violence on TV of people getting killed when they get shot. Kids need to see that when someone jumps off of a nuilding or gets shot they actually die instead of this pantie waist mess of no one ever getting actually hurt from doing dumb things.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might View Post
    Maybe the parents should be deemed unfit.
    Based on what, exactly? This news report?

    The mother response:

    Posted by jlbstb05 on February 26, 2010 at 1:48 am

    I just want to make things clear. These are my children. My son has NOT been charges with anything yet. He is currently receiving medical attention and will not be charged until he goes to court. I never stated that my child was incorrigible, I only stated that I want my son to get the help he needed. I had to call WMBF news and set them straight as well and they have reprinted the story and interviewed me on camera. The babysitter did not overreact because my 13 yr old did grab a knife and try to get to my 11 yr old. He has a cyst on his brain that causes his behavior to change but so far has been controlled by medication. My son was not a threat to anybody when I left hime with his sitter. I leave my children with her every week and have not had any problems up until now. My son is now getting the help he needs and I really wish that people would quit judging my family on this. People should really stop trying to judge unless the know the entire story. MBPD screwed up the report which is where these news sites get their info.

    There are always three sides to every story...

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    In a forum such as this I expected mostly negative replies to my very hard and clear cut attitude about kids and guns and most of you did not disappoint me. We will always agree to disagree on this issue, but please do not give me this Brady garbage and government intervention baloney---I have my firearms and I do not appreciate the "Brady Bunch" and I do not appreciate the anti 2A's but, regardless of what many of you have said about your responsible children and how responsible you were when you were a child, I do not give any credence to using the words "kids" and "responsibilities" in the same sentence when it comes to firearms---maybe taking out the garbage, handling money, and doing their homework but not firearms. There is an old saying that you can always tell when a child is lying--their lips are moving. I assume from the comments, if your children are so responsible that you would have no problem letting them have driving licenses, and even obtaining a CCWP. I hope and pray your decisions do not come back to haunt you someday---I do not have the statistics on such haunting remembrances but I'll bet there are quite a few every year and many probably involve a "responsible" child and a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    In a forum such as this I expected mostly negative replies to my very hard and clear cut attitude about kids and guns and most of you did not disappoint me. We will always agree to disagree on this issue, but please do not give me this Brady garbage and government intervention baloney---I have my firearms and I do not appreciate the "Brady Bunch" and I do not appreciate the anti 2A's but, regardless of what many of you have said about your responsible children and how responsible you were when you were a child, I do not give any credence to using the words "kids" and "responsibilities" in the same sentence when it comes to firearms---maybe taking out the garbage, handling money, and doing their homework but not firearms. There is an old saying that you can always tell when a child is lying--their lips are moving. I assume from the comments, if your children are so responsible that you would have no problem letting them have driving licenses, and even obtaining a CCWP. I hope and pray your decisions do not come back to haunt you someday---I do not have the statistics on such haunting remembrances but I'll bet there are quite a few every year and many probably involve a "responsible" child and a firearm.
    There are probably stats on both sides - those that misused a gun and those that saved themselves or another with one. I'll bet the first is greater than the last. But there's the forgotten statistic. How many kids were killed or abducted in their own homes and never had a chance to get to a gun? I'll bet nobody is keeping that statistic.
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    Hey AvidshooterTX: Your forgotten statistic about children who are abducted and NEVER GOT TO A GUN to protect themselves makes me shake my head. Are we talking about the 4 year olds? If I read this comment and absorb its meaning, I am to assume that for the sake of this statistic, I should have a firearm readily available and accessible for every child in my home IN CASE a maniac comes in and tries to kidnap them. I wish you would take back that comment on your reply--you really have lost me on that one; I have appreciated many of your posts on various threads but this comment--I just do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Hey AvidshooterTX: Your forgotten statistic about children who are abducted and NEVER GOT TO A GUN to protect themselves makes me shake my head. Are we talking about the 4 year olds? If I read this comment and absorb its meaning, I am to assume that for the sake of this statistic, I should have a firearm readily available and accessible for every child in my home IN CASE a maniac comes in and tries to kidnap them. I wish you would take back that comment on your reply--you really have lost me on that one; I have appreciated many of your posts on various threads but this comment--I just do not understand it.
    Where did I say 4 year olds? Haven't you seen the news lately? A lot of young teens (especially girls) get abducted. I started hunting at 12 and knew how to safely handle a gun at around 10. Get the American Rifleman on a regular basis and look how many "kids" end up saving themselves and others. All families are different and everyone has to make their own evaluations about maturity. There is liability so you need to make up your own mind. Which do you fear more? Your children or child predators? Before you answer go to one of those sites where it shows you all the perverts who live within 5 miles of your house.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
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    Hey AvidshooterTX: Just to correct your reply, I did not indicate that you said anything about 4 year olds, I merely asked you what age you believed was appropriate--yes I was a bit sarcastic and for that I apologize. You followed this comment with the be all and end all of our conversations---being a libertarian and not appreciating the government being involved in my life, I agree with you that it is up to the responsible members of the family to make this decision about a child and a gun--we may absolutely disagree on this (and obviously we do--we come from very different areas and very different environments) but we do agree that this responsiblity and the ultimate criminal/civil liabilities associated with making a bad decision should rest with the family and g-d help you if your decision was really very very bad. I still find your decision to "hang your hat" on the issue of "guns in the hands of children will minimize the predator/kidnapping risk" to be a bit "reaching". The NRA mags only report the good stories and conveniently leave out the tragedies (I am an NRA member). I still appreciate your comments on many threads and do understand your point of view even if I disagree with it.

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